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They are not saying that the X chromosome mutates to Y, but rather saying that XY doesn't define the sex. For example, some people with XY are born with female genitalia and look female their whole lives. Sometimes they don't find out they are XY until trying to have kids and are unable to. It isn't like the X changes to Y over time. That isn't possible.
So not what the phd claims
It's weird how your first thought is "the PhD is wrong" and not "I must have misunderstood something" .
There was a reason I made that comment
Though I disagree with the conservative genitalia = gender ideology
Point being… the phd is wrong!
Or the thought the phd must have meant something else
But sure the phd is wrong if he meant that; just like those anti-vax doctors and anti-abortion doctors
It's crazy how you're still insisting that "the PhD is wrong if he meant that"' rather than figure out that no, what you think they meant is not what they meant, it is not what they said, you are the one misunderstanding what they said. It has to be the PhD's fault, certainly not yours.
It’s crazy that you think me saying “if they meant that they are wrong” means I am not open for further clarification
And yet, when someone explained to you what the PhD said and meant, your response was:
And just now you were still comparing them to anti-vaxx doctors "if they meant that", when they clearly didn't mean that, and you were already told what they meant. You're still pretending that maybe they said something wrong. They didn't.
Which one is it? Is it they clearly didn’t mean what that person said or is it they meant what that person said
The PhD is not wrong. The PhD meant what they said, but it is not what you think they meant or said. The mistake is yours, and you still insist that maybe it's the PhD who's wrong and meant something else they didn't say - even after somebody else correctly explained what the PhD said and meant, to which you wrongly responded "that's not what the PhD claims."
What the person said as an explanation was wrong full stop. There is no argument for it we know that gender isn’t related to genitalia, we know gender isn’t related to behaviour.
Those are just things conservatives say to reinforce gender identity/roles
So you can pick one or the other; is the phd saying that in which case they are wrong. Or is the explanation wrong and the phd is talking about something else
Your insistence that both are correct just puts you in the same crowd as antivaxxers
You're the only one here claiming that the PhD is equating gender, sex, genitalia. The PhD says no such thing. The person the PhD is responding to is the one trying to equate gender, sex, genitalia, chromosoms, reducing it to "there are only two sexes, male or female." The PhD is telling that person that they are wrong, and chromosoms do not determine what comes out in the end. The PhD is correct an you are misreading them, and it has already been explained to you that the PhD is saying, verbatim, that chromosoms do not determine gender or even the sex. If you think that contradicts the PhD, you are still misunderstanding and assuming that the one who's wrong must be the PhD and certainly not you. But you really really want to say that the PhD is equating gender and sex, or that the explanation that was given to you is contradicting what the PhD is saying. At this point, you're just trying to obfuscate what the PhD is claiming and what you are defending, and somehow the PhD is the one who's wrong and as bad as anti-vaxxers.
Once again: the PhD is correct, you misunderstand what they said, someone explained to you what the PhD was saying, and that explanation is not contradicting what the PhD said. The PhD and the explanation are both correct and they are saying the same thing. You keep trying to pretend that you know better than the PhD and the PhD must be anti science somehow, instead of wondering if you're not completely missing the entire discussion. The only way you are going is trying to devaluate science.
Oh i see your problem, you didn’t read the explanation
... And you still don't understand it, and you assume that everyone else is wrong even after it was explained to you. That quote is correct and it does not contradict what the PhD said. In fact, it illustrates exactly what they said.
That there are men (xy) with female parts, do I was correct when I said that parts don’t define gender
I don’t think the phd is saying that though because they talk about xx becoming xy
This is your misunderstanding right there. XY is not automatically a man. You are the one making the claim that chromosoms define if you are a man or a woman, and the PhD and the other guy are telling you that there are people born with XY who are cis women with female genitalia. You are wrong.
No, they are saying no such thing. They are telling you that there are people born with XY but who have female genitalia and grow up to be cis women. No one told you that some XY people changed to XX, or XX to XY. This does not happen. This is not what the PhD said, and this is not what the other guy explained to you. You are wrong. And you keep claiming that everybody else is wrong, without ever questioning your own understanding.
Now you’re saying it
No matter what conservatives like you or that doctor say
what’s in your pants doesn’t determine gender
??? No one said it determines your gender. We're telling you that it happens. Obviously there are XY people who grow up to be cis men, trans women, but also cis women, and surely trans men as well, or anything inbetween, with any form of gender expression you can think of. You're the only one making this all up for some reason.
Has y = man
No y = woman
no matter someone’s parts or how they act changes that. Stop being sexist
No. You are conflating chromosoms, gender, sex. The PhD is telling you that you are wrong. You are claiming that you know better than them. The whole meme is about you, you have Dunning-Kruger, they have a PhD.
okay without being sexiest, what is the difference between a man and a woman that isn’t sex?
(Hint: there is none, but feel free to parrot whatever fox news tells you)
No one has said anything about any of that, you are making up this argument out of nothing, no one has tried to define what a man or a woman is - except you, actually. You are moving the discussion and muddying what is even being argued about, so you can pretend I'm a conservative for some reason and the doctor is as bad as an anti-vaxxer. Even though you're the one who tried to declare what a man or a woman is, when that wasn't the subject at all. You are projecting.
My mistake, I thought you said gender and sex were different
Straight up
I think you may have misread. The PHD isn't saying that XY becomes XX, they are saying, genetically, a person carrying XY can be a cis woman. Biologically, XY doesn't determine the sex.
Thank you for clarifying
I honestly don't understand. What does define the sex biologically? The genitalia, then? I always understood positions like William's like "XY is the biologically male sex by definition, if the human develops female genitalia and feels like a woman they were biologically speaking still intended to be a man." I don't understand what else there could be on an elemental level to biologically determine the sex.
To preface: this is from a previous bout of hyper focus curiosity (i.e. I am not an expert). But the human genome is significantly more complex than "XX chromosome means biological female". Other genomic markers can trigger that don't align with the typical, which can result in male reproductive organs on a person with XX chromosome and vice versa. XX and XY are also not the only options. There are three, four, and even five somal groupings (e.g. XXY, XYY, XXX - note that to my understanding, you can't have all Y chromosomes even in these outliers). If anyone has further information or any corrections for me, I'd welcome them - I'm going off of memory from a couple of years ago and it's not directly relevant to me (i.e. I am cis-male with no known chromosomal abnormalities)
There's no one thing that defines sex, that's what makes it so complicated. What is often thought of as "biological sex" are two clustered sets of checkboxes (e.g chromosomes, genitalia, secondary sex characteristics, primary sex hormone), but people often have a mixture from both lists. Here's an interesting nature article on it https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a
Very interesting, thanks!