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I'm still at a loss what Ukraine would get out of this deal. It's not weapons
The goal is US security guarantees, as in US military enforcing any ceasefire agreement with Russia.
I don't think that guarantee is worth the paper it is written on as long as Trump is in office, but that is the goal.
Any long-term agreement with any US administration is not worth anything.
This is not even purely a Trump thing. We saw this with the Budapest Memorandum.
Taiwan is silently but furiously preparing for us to not help in the event of a Chinese invasion.
I think it's really clever actually:
Zelensky knows Trump secretly - although less and less secretly - roots for Putin. He pretends to offer this deal to save face, but he really doesn't want to provide any aid to Ukraine, which is probably why he and the couch fucker were so quick to get ill-tampered and call off the negotiations at the White House on Friday: the last thing they want is to find themselves in a position to have to help Ukraine against Putin.
Zelensky is calling them on their bluff and cornering them: either they don't sign a deal after all and Trump's duplicitous dealings will be exposed for all to see, or they do sign a deal and Trump will have to kill Russians in Ukraine, which is bad news for his relationship with Putin.
That could be what comes out of it, but I just fear that they sign the papers, companies buy up the land to have rights to mine those minerals and then they wait until Russia wins. Cause if Trump and Putin are buddies, then they could still have those mineral rights after the war in the worst case scenario.
I can’t believe that we’re talking about scenarios like this when it comes to the USA and supporting Ukraine. Urgh..
You're forgetting a key part here. Ukraine wouldn't be signing away it's sovereignty. If the help doesn't materialize then the mineral wealth doesn't have to materialize either
I have to say, I knew I wasn't quite old enough to make it to my grave without seeing the beginning of WW3, but the last thing I expected is that it would come from the US turning into a raging fascist dictatorship.
Totally. The world order after ww2 is being destroyed by themselves in front of us.
It it was a fair deal, investment from the US to build more infrastructures, doubling their investment capacity to mine stuff.
The fake plan is that US businesses would be in Ukraine processing the minerals and that would be a deterrent.
In theory that’s not too far fetched. But they are already American companies operating in Ukraine and that has never stopped Russia from bombing Ukraine. I doubt it works as a deterrent.
Even weapons would be worthless. All US weapons systems have remote kill switches.
https://xcancel.com/prestonstew_/status/1895160295032598549
This is a typical "anonymous sources say" type article, but its believable and in line with industry standards even for less critical equipment like trucks and tractors.
We need to drop the f-35s, get something european
The F-35 isn't likely to have this problem as it's a joint project. Any kill switch software would be evident to the project members.
We already have, the French rafale is pretty good. They just aren’t made in sufficient numbers and you can’t ramp that up in a week
US would be forced to defend their mining assets/investments in the area.