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[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If the public doesn't control the political parties or their political orientation through voting or councils, socialism is pretty useless, it could even be argued that a society with an illiberal state cannot be socialist, because while it may not have an owning class it sure has a bureaucratic ruling class.

Read: The Average Joe in China cannot decide what their workplace is doing.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 4 days ago

Mikhail Bakunin's "socialism without liberty is slavery" quote comes to mind.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

Exactly, you can't liberate people by shackling them.

But I guess war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

Your comment inspired me to create a post about it, thanks lmao

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