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Yeah. At the same time, pot meet kettle
Go look at the context as he’s saying it makes no sense to negotiate with the guy who tore up the last agreement which Iran was honoring.
While I agree with him in this specific context, I don’t find Khamenei intelligent or honorable either, which is why I said what I said.
Iran elected a more moderate president. Then Israel bombed the Hamas leader at the presidents inauguration.
I know. That doesn’t change the fact that Khamenei is an oppressive autocrat, and power ultimately doesn’t preside with the presidency there.
You convinced me. There is no other solution than to bomb Irans nuclear sites and power infrastructure. Also take out a few dams and grain silos while we are at it to really liberate those oppressed people.
I didn’t advocate for any of that. All I did was point out Iran’s leadership also sucks.
They tried to suck less and then America put a knife in their back. Which is not very encouraging.
I was not happy when Trump unilaterally pulled out of the deal; I have wondered if Hamas’ October 7th attack even happens if rapprochement with Iran continued rather than what ended up happening, but I am also not convinced Iranian leadership was much interested in changing much beyond getting sanctions relief. US actions aren’t the reason why they’re oppressive to women and LGBT folks or why they’re supplying arms to Russia in aid of their invasion of Ukraine. Maybe the latter would be different if Russia wasn’t one of their only options for trading partners, it’s tough to say.
US actions are partially the reason though. The population could have changed if it was not being actively convinced not to do so.
Instead of moderates, hardliners became more popular because of the constant US threat, refusing to normalize, and not holding up its end of deals.
Iran has a long history of US and European meddling and stealing their oil since 1953. You might not understand but they have plenty of reason to fear the US. And they have been betrayed many times when they let their guard down.
It would be akin to asking why Ukrainians do not love Russian culture after Russia invaded their country and bombed them.
I know about the CIA/MI6 backed coup in ‘53. I think it definitely led to the revolution, but I also feel that revolution was co-opted by autocratic religious extremists.
I think the crackdowns during the protests that came in the wake of Mahsa Amini’s murder support my view that they’re autocratic. They have taken no concrete steps to improve women’s rights, and any and all presidential candidates must be approved by the Ayatollah so they’re really just controlled opposition at best.
Don’t interpret any of this as saying the US has any moral high ground to stand on, because what bits of American policy I have been proud of are rapidly evaporating.
I have not followed recent developments much but I recall the new president partially aborting the new headscarf law. https://apnews.com/article/iran-mandatory-headscarf-hijab-law-protests-26e6015d6e47b18238f0ac4c08c4d33a
Whether this was followed up on I do not know.
Iran's "President" is a figurehead with no real power. Having one be more "moderate" would not change the country's direction, regardless of whether the US bombed it or not.
Their Supreme Leader (chosen by a closed council) is the one who actually sets policy and has effectively full control, then their president follows those policies.
The president did promise to revert many of the more conservative laws and extended an olive branch in exchange for sanction relief. Which was quickly set ablaze.
The Iranian President runs the day to day governance. The Grand Ayatollah focuses on the bigger picture.
Just elected by a Guardian council that is in turn either appointed by the supreme leader or the Chief justice who is also appointed by the supreme leader. Pretty clearly a circular relationship. Nice name calling, though.
It's a theocracy. They basically copied the Vatican model. An ~~assembly of Experts~~Conclave of Cardinals, chosen by The ~~Supreme Leader~~Pope convenes to elect the ~~Supreme Leader~~Pope in absolute secrecy. The thing is, looking back at the last 20 years of American politics, the US is not that different, only it's a Plutocracy. American politicians threw away any pretense of working for, or serving, the people a long time ago.
Agreed on all points
lol, ok.
Did the supreme leader steal your punctuation keys? You’re clearly trolling, enjoy your imminent ban.
I’m a socialist but go off.
Finally found that period key, nice work!