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Isn't it a little weird to call vegans who say eating meat is murder a "loud minority", and then explaining why you cannot be a vegan without saying that eating meat is murder (hyperbole or not)?
Is there something in your comment I'm missing, or is this supposed to be some self-aware joke?
Tell me, do you misrepresent what bottom left guy says on purpose?
"I don't care if your family starves, eating eggs is literally murder!" - How can this not be represented as "Eating meat is murder!"?
Are eggs meat? And don't you think that part „I don't care if your family starves“ might be fucking important context?
"Are eggs meat?" - Yes, that's what I'm saying, I'm not sure how it can be understood any other way.
Though, how can calling somebody a murderous cultist not be considered the least bit demeaning, whereas saying their family should starve is? As per "You wouldn’t say „... I do respect your religious tradition of human sacrifice“" having similar aggressive or demeaning meaning as "I don’t care if your family starves".
Then you're just plain wrong. Is a woman's unfertilized egg a baby?
You're twisting my words like they're players in a game with colored dots on a map.
I even stated that the sacrifice thing was a damn hyperbole. If you think.my comment is demeaning or aggressive, you didn't read the whole fucking thing.
I guess I should thank you for demonstrating how I'm twisting your words by doing the same?
"Is a woman’s unfertilized egg a baby?" <- That's a trap? Of course a woman's unfertilized is not a baby, nor is a fertilized one until born, since that would usually be defined as "embryo" or "fetus" (if being all pedantic). Though, a woman's unfertilized egg is an "animal product", as is a slice of meat.
Now, I've chosen to use "meat" as a synonym, or over-category, for "animal products". I realize that this generalization might be important for some, so let me apologize for this apparently vital oversight, I'll try to cut it out in cardboard from now on.
Regarding your statement about morals, as I've stated before, the hyperbole would be meaningless if the creator (of the hyperbole) wouldn't find any truth or parallel in it.
I've read your statement as "No vegan would ever say: You're eating ~~meat~~ animal products, but that's all OK!", just a whole lot more demeaning and in perfect spirit of the original post.
And once again, to really cut it out and prevent these misunderstandings of mine, I read your statement as "Vegans will not morally lower themselves to omni standards (edit: /Ethics)".
If this was not the intention behind your words, then I will gladly stand corrected.
There is truth and parallel in it. I don't make a difference between exploiting or killing humans and exploiting or killing animals (in fact, humans are animals, but that is another topic). So don't do it (unless your life depends on it, but that is a rare circumstance and for exploitation there's no excuse).
The intention of my words was to express that bottom left guy is a misrepresentation of vegans in general because he depicts militant vegans who are a minority. Very few vegans would say you have to starve if your only way to survive was eating animals. And the top left guy is a misrepresentation because eggs (or any other animal parts) are not or should not be staple food.
To bring real life examples:
There are many pharmaceuticals that contain animal ingredients. But since that is necessary for living a healthy life vegans generally don't ask anybody to not take them if they need to (except for a very few who are sometimes very loud).
On the other hand, animal agriculture is heavily subsidized in the EU and most vegans (at least that I know of) strongly oppose these subsidies and advocate to shift subsidies towards more sustainable forms of agriculture.
We are neither okay with incentives to eat animal products (incentives as in subsidies to make animals very cheap, cheaper than they are) nor do we want people to starve or not get the medication they need.
where does that meat come from? From the Meat Plant or from a cut of an animal that was killed to provide that cut of meat?
That egg, if fertilized, could have been a chicken. so one could argue that the chicken was killed prematurely.
My point exactly! I don't see where the discrepancy lies.
Maybe that calling someone a murderous cultist is not the same as saying their family should rather starve?
this shouldn't be ones reaction anyway regardless if you are in a "murderous cultist" or not. And maybe this post was just a hyperbole and caricature of hyper militant vegans?
That would have been the first statement: "Vegan here, bottom left is a very small but sometimes very loud minority."
That second statement (about the religious killings) was specifically for why finding compromise is not possible for regular vegans. Even if it was a hyperbole, it would be meaningless if not sincere.
Uh, did you skipped the negation? That a regular vegan wouldn't go full on condemning you for religious Human Sacrifice by eating meat?
https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/16163236
Putting shit together and reading stuff as a whole is not your strength, is it buddy? If I said „2+2=5 is wrong“ you'd be pissed off about „2+2=5“ and just ignore the „is wrong“ part.
And my comment critizises this post for displaying hyper militant vegans as the norm. But everyone apparently just wants to get all railed up and shit.
Its much more fun to be railed up and sweaty.
And yeah I totally agree with your initial comment and your scolding of OP; even though I am more like a flexitarian than a vegetarian, allthough I really try to shift my died toward it.
Also your comment score immediatly got two negatives... I guess the peeps are super railed up against you, which is sad.
I'm vegan, I'm used to it.
I mean at least you put in effort, that's more than most people can say.
you are a good egg :3
Ironic, isn't it? 😂
(And thank you)