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The alarms been going off since fucking November when he won the election and y'all haven't done a god damn thing except bend over and take it like a bunch of cowards.
What choice do we have? Leftists stayed home during the election because of gEnOcIdE. So now democrats don’t have enough elected officials to do anything. Thanks leftists!
You say leftists stayed home because genocide, but look...
I am firmly on the left. Most of the people I choose to associate with are as well. All of us went to marches for Palestine when it was possible for us. We did what we could and...
All of us voted for Kamala Harris. We participated in electoral politics because we heard what people like you were saying about broad outcomes. I know it's not the same everywhere, but most leftist spaces that are very critical of the Democrats that I frequent shared this sentiment.
I know it's anecdotal, and other leftists can dunk on us for it, whatever, I don't care.
But I'm tired of seeing threads with comment after comment being specifically about blaming the left abstainers. It's fucking over! The election is over and pointing fingers blaming people isn't helping anyone. You want to feel good for being right? I know you're angry, I get it, but what is your point? You just want people to feel bad? Okay, they feel bad. The situation is shit and getting worse by the day. How is this building a unified resistance? How is this helping anyone but yourself?
FUD works by sowing apathy to discourage a behavior. In this scenario, all that criticism is used by bad actors to convince people who would vote democrat to just stay home or believe that voting doesn’t matter because bother sides are the same.
Leftists fuel the anti-democratic propaganda machines with their ‘criticism’. Those ‘criticisms’ have consequences and in the end, prevent leftists legislation from being passed.
Are there not legitimate criticisms to be had? Should we pretend that there are no problems with something just because an alternative is worse? That seems to be just as discouraging as any FUD for those who have valid critical observations.
It's about timing. Voicing the criticism as loudly as they were during the election, is the wrong time. During the general election it's too late. Candidates and policies are set. All the criticism does at that point is get the fence sitters to stay home. The day after the election is the time to start getting loud. Make them well aware that midterm results depend on them listening. Start working on primaries. Find people running for office that actually do support your ideals more closely and work on getting them nominated.
Long story short, the election is just damage control. To force change, you got to put in the work in between elections.
So I'm Canadian. Take what follows from a social democracy that has its issues but still mostly tries not to be fascist.
America needs to stop (IMMEDIATELY) the idea that the Dems will change to become the savior the US needs. Fuck 'em. Nothing will change unless Americans make the change themselves.
So why not support 3rd party candidates for Senate and Congress? It would be great to have an independent as POTUS, but they'd get stonewalled by everyone over everything without outside support.
Better to push to have independents voted into the Senate and Congress to get the ball rolling ... 'cause your 2 party system sucks.
Looks at that. The previous commentor said it's "all about timing" and "during the election isn't the time" and here we are post-election and they're still downvoting you and refusing to listen to reason just like they have at any given moment over the past 8 years. It's almost as if it has nothing to do with timing, much like Trump deportations have nothing to do with people having the correct documents.
They want the pro-corporate, diet-fascism and they don't care how many people they have to alienate or purge from the party to get it. The really weird aspect of this is that they already keep losing elections, yet think that the winning strategy is to push even more people away.
If you don’t have enough elected officials to do anything then criticism is pointless.
Criticism is for when there is no threat to your ability to get elected.
Criticism before an election is secured, gives the opposition talking points to use against you. It also gives voters a reason to feel apathetic and not vote.
This guarantees leftist legislation doesn’t get passed and leftists politicians don’t get elected.
I voted for Harris. I'm scared shitless because I'm a trans woman
And I'm really fucking tired of posters on Lemmy blaming the left for not voting for more genocide and more center right politics from the Democrats.
If the Democrats want leftists to vote for them, they can start running on leftist policies and start running leftist politicians. Instead of running center right politicians on center right platforms.
They need to fire up the voters so that people want to vote for them. Instead their whole game is be scared if we lose. And blame voters for our loss.
It doesn't inspire confidence and neither has the last two months since the election.
And comments like you post, that are just parroting the Democrats platform of blaming their voter base, when they don't know how to inspire that base...
It's getting old. And judging by all the downvotes on you're comment, I guess it's getting old for a lot of other people too.
This is why leftist keep losing elections and their legislation doesn’t get passed. They refuse to work with other ideologies and they don’t have enough voters to accomplish anything alone.
Democratic Party is made up of people the voters chose. Many of whom are moderate.
If leftists can’t get enough voters to change that, it won’t change.
Politicians don’t cater to groups that don’t vote.
Nah, they just cater to their corporate donors and folks that would never vote for them. Sliding more right every year and expecting everyone to hold their nose.
And then you want to blame leftists, when this is an alt account my main is on hexbear. Most real leftists I talk to voted for Harris. Because we're not idiots.
But keep blaming us that the Democrats ran a shit campaign chasing Republican voters and corporate campaign dollars, while neglecting to get their base off the couch.
Because of Citizens United, this is a necessary evil. You either get donors or you lose from lack of funding.
Look at the progressives that lost recently because AIPAC out funded their competition.
Voters had to chose between two candidates, one on the left and one on the right. Voters chose the one on the right. Meaning not enough leftist showed up to vote.
Leftist don’t show up to vote > voters chose the option furthest right > leftists learn nothing, blame democrats and do it again next cycle.
All right you can spend the next 4 years blaming the left.
In the meantime I'm just going to remind you that in 2016 a populist left-wing candidate ran a very good primary without any corporate donations. Leftist policies and platforms are popular. And giving people the choice between center right and far-right doesn't motivate voters.
That choice was made by the voters.
Being defeatist speeds up the defeat.
Yup, staying home on Election Day because of genocide leads to defeat.
What about now, are you gonna live up to your ideals and be involved, or live up to their preconceptions of liberals and only do politics on election day?
We both know the answer 😂
Involved in what way?
What do you mean by “only do politics on Election Day”
Contact local BIPOC and other radical political groups in your area. Learn the plans they've had to fight systems of oppression as they've been at this for a lot longer than the election cycle. Learn how you can help, and what you offer, even if it's just a body or a skin tone. Learn all the different facets of anti-state action and find your place in an organized group.
These fights have been going on longer then either of us has been alive, and almost all of the fight is done outside the ballet box, so the I am genuinely asking, are you willing to commit to what you seem to believe and do something outside? Because I think you know, arguing on some tiny sliver of a fraction of the internet isn't meaningful fighting. So find the people in your community that are meaningfully fighting in whatever way they can and join them. Please.
They're referring to how you joined the conversation with "what choice do we have?" (a defeatist attitude) and proceeded to complain that we're here because of leftists staying home on election day leading to defeat.
Their point was that, maybe we're defeated not because people didn't come out on a single day to vote, but because they said "what choice do we have?" on all the other days.
Did you just Spongebobcase the word genocide
Did leftists stay home during the election and hand over the US to fascists because of spongebobcase?
What do you mean?