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[-] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago

I know this is a shitpost, but I need to say it anyways: The USA is not "America". America is everything west of Europe and east of Asia. All the Americas: north, central, and south.

[-] Probius@sopuli.xyz 60 points 2 weeks ago

The name may be really stupid, but America is the name used to reference the United States and is recognized by hundreds of millions if not billions of people. North America: continent. South America: continent. The Americas: 2 continents. America: 1 country. Just because it's dumb doesn't make it not true.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

America is the name used to reference the United States

USians are arrogant as fuck. America is a continent. Country is called United States of America.

Coincidently, USians asked where they are from never say "USA" or even "America" for this matter. They say name of their state or even worse, two letters like everyone around should know where every shithole in the US is.

[-] DesolateMood@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Which word gave you trouble?

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

The United States of Mexico would like a word.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

We're considering changing it to simply Mexico. It's been talked about.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Until you guys do, it seems fucked up for the USA to just take US. German uses US-Amerikaner, which is at least clear.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Wait that didn't go through yet? I thought that name change went through years ago

[-] Katrisia@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

*Mexican United States.

Also, it's not about the name but how that name came to be. Mexican United States (Mexico) are called that way because they're the region around the mexica territory (today part of Mexico City). They're not 'stealing' the name from anyone.

The United States of America (U.S.A.) are called that way because they were the first independent states in America, the continent's name: a well known fact at the moment. But today, most American countries are independent, so the people from the United States have been rewriting geography and even history saying there are two continents, that there isn't a continent named America, etc. Sorry, but many countries and thousands of historical documents tell us that America was and is the name of the continent, and that it is not okay to take it for one country alone.

I imagine the outrage this would cause for centuries if France (just to name some country) tried to pull this off. "United Communities of Europe", "we are the only Europeans πŸ‡¨πŸ‡΅", "Europe is a country", "there's West Europe and East Europe, the Europes, but that's it"...

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

the people from the United States have been rewriting geography and even history saying there are two continents, that there isn't a continent named America, etc. Sorry, but many countries and thousands of historical documents tell us that America was and is the name of the continent, and that it is not okay to take it for one country alone

Yup, precisely that.

[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago
[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Found a butt hurt USian πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Butt hurt? Naw.

Disgusted with your parents for raising such an ass? Absolutely.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

You are not butt hurt at all, that's why you replied to three of my different comments. You are so funny, USians πŸ˜‚

[-] B312@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I’m not from the USA but it’s not that deep. Their country will cease to exist soon enough so why get worked up about it.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Some of them were definitely butt hurt about my comment! πŸ˜‚

[-] Probius@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

Which continent is America? I only know of Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe, and Australia.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

That's what they teach you in the USA, eh?

Five continents We have been taught in school (way back in the '60s in Europe) that there are five continents, Africa, America, Asia, Australia, and Europe, for instance symbolized in the five rings of the Olympic Games.

Six continents However, there is no standard definition for the number of continents. In Europe, many students are taught about six continents, in which North and South America is combined to form a single America. These six continents are Africa, America, Antarctica, Asia, Australia/Oceania, and Europe.

Ahh, you haven't learned anything since the 60's. Your idiotic ramblings are starting to make sense..

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like Eurasians can be just as ignorant as USains.

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[-] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago

Very clever. It's the land mass, just like Eurasia.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

Eurasia is on one continental plate, the Americas are on 2-3 (depending on how you want to count the Caribbean iirc)

Definitions of continent vary and are often fairly subjective but I've always considered that a pretty objective standard.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

So anyone who calls themselves a European is also wrong. That's what I see you saying here.

[-] rowanthorpe@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Tangential nitpick:

s/Australia/Oceania/

(shoutout to New Zealand, Hawai, New Caledonia, Papua New Guinea, Indonesia, Samoa, etc)

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Do you expect British people to tell you that they're from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and get cross when they don't as well?

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Ignorance this ignorance that.

Language evolves. The words we used to refer to locations don't exactly match what they did 250 fucking years ago, boohoo.

Definitions come from how people use words, not the other way around.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Definitions come from how people use words, not the other way around.

That's how Trump can get away with his lies in the USA. πŸ™„

Despite of what brainwashed USians may think, words do not create a reality.

Person who lives in the USA is as much of an American as a person from Brazil, Mexico or Canada. The same as European means a person living in Europe, not necessarily in the European Union.

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Deceptive people can use words however they want!

So can you or I. At least a quarter billion people say "America" and mean "United States of America" every day, and at least a quarter billion people hear them say it and understand what they mean. Therefore, the meaning of that word has skewed.

If you picture an "American" in your mind I know damn well the first thing that pops into your head is not a resident of Brazil, and that is what language is actually about. Moving ideas, not definitions.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago
[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Appeal to Authority

Actual research

I promise your random Mastodon screenshot is not as definitive as millennia of language evolution. Also, you're assuming I'm american when I could damn well be a European etymologist for all you know

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

when I could damn well be a European etymologist for all you know

Of course you are, sweetie.

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago
[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ad hominem? I just called you "sweetie", sweetie πŸ˜‚

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

You're subverting the conversation by making points about my character rather than actually acknowledging the fact that you just have no counter argument to what was presented to you.

Ad hominem. Continue digging.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

No sweetie. It is yourself who has no argument whatsoever apart from Trumpers argument that they can call anything the way they want and it will make it so πŸ˜‚

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[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Depending on where you grew up and were taught geography, America may or may not have been taught to you as a combined landmass from the Southern tip of Chile to the northern islands of Canada, or separate continents split near Central America.

There is no right or wrong way of defining that. It all depends on custom and convention.

The reason you say why people from the USA respond with the United States when people ask them where they're from is likely because it's a shortened version of the full country name. This is similar to asking someone born in the United Mexican States that they're from Mexico, or someone from the People's Republic of China that they're from China, or someone from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland that they're British (or Scottish or Irish or Welsh), or someone from the Argentine Republic that they're Argentinian, or someone from the Boliviaran Republic of Venezuela that they're Venezuelan, or someone from the Republic of Korea that they're South Korean (although most people actually just refer to this country as Korea, but that might depend on regional differences too depending on which country you grew up in and were taught from).

Another reason might be how the USA's government is structured. We have a federation where the overall government is a sum total of Tribal, State, and Federal governments. People of indigenous tribes in the USA refer to themselves as Native Americans or Indigenous, while people from different states have names for themselves (e.g. Michiganders from Michigan, Californians from California, Kansans from Kansas, Hoosiers from Indiana). You might think that because the federal government, officially called the "United States" in our constitution, covers the entirely of the geography of the USA that that's how you would refer to people from that nation. And you would be somewhat right because the US takes on international relations per the duties outlined in the constitution. But it would be false to refer to the whole country as just the US. The whole country is the USA, and perhaps that is why people from that country refer to themselves as American.

Why can't we have a more nuanced discussion where we talk about how each country/culture prefers to be referred to? I think it's pretty asinine to refer to the people of, for instance, South Korea as South Koreans because that's my American conception of that country, when in reality people of the Republic of Korea refer to themselves as Hanguk-in or Hanguk-saram. I would be perfectly fine with referring to that people using that terminology.

Why do we have to force labels and categories onto peoples when we could just listen to them for what they prefer themselves

[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

That last bit is definitely not unique to the US. I've heard people from all parts of Europe, even when in the US, say they're from Gloucester, or Antwerp, or Perth, or where have you. It's not like they immediately say England, Belgium, or Australia every time. You're definitely nitpicking this point.

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[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 19 points 2 weeks ago

It's the only country that has "America" in the name so it's not really that dumb.

Well... Ackchuyually, it's not "China", it's "People's Republic of China"

"China" can refer to various terriorial claims made by various Chiness dynasties/governments throught history, and doesn't precisely describe the location or period of time. Whereas "People's Republic of China" is the accurate term to describe the current geo-political situation of the country.

πŸ€“

(ya know what, every time a westerner mentions "China" I'm gonna say that just for the lols)

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as China, is in fact, the People's Republic of China, or as I've recently taken to calling it, PRC.

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

PR/C

To fit the format a little bitter

[-] lengau@midwest.social 5 points 2 weeks ago
[-] raskolnikov@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

TIL Atlantis is also in America

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

I’d like to welcome Morroco, Mauritania, Senegal, Gambia, Guinea, Ghana, Nigeria, and a bunch of others to America.

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