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[-] zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Gonna get downvoted, but conservative ideals should be present to some minor extent to balance things out. I don't mean modern conservatives or Republicans, but the concept of fiscal conservatism (e.g. preventing waste in the military). I'm not talking about the fIsCaL cOnSeRvAtIsM that current Republicans preach either, like hollowing out social programs to give tax cuts to their buddies. So yeah that's of course not what we have now, but there should be a healthy balance for that kind of thing.

[-] Transtronaut 31 points 1 day ago

The problem is that what you describe is not conservatism, it's just basic competence in governance. It's an impressive achievement of the radical right that they have managed to get people to conflate the two.

[-] zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Sure that's fair. Whatever you want to label it, there needs to be some kind of balances against full progressivism so it doesn't go extremely far to the left. I say this as a pretty far left progressive in most things, but have some minor conservative ideals (such as individuals wanting to support themselves without relying on outside sources). Again, I'm well aware that's not modern Conservatism in the US these days.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

such as individuals wanting to support themselves without relying on outside sources

You mean we shouldn't have social welfare programs?

No public healthcare, no public housing, no public infrastructure, no public health services, no free public education, no social security, no universal basic income

How are any of these bad?

Knowing Better has an incredibly informative video about the history of meritocracy, rugged individualism, and fiscal responsibility in America. I think you'd find it interesting

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The people who say this tend to forget that if you only take the "good things" from conservatism it ceases to be conservatism. The conservative ideology is garbage and only leads countries to a sort of destructive cannabalism.

[-] zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Basically what I mean is the mindset of doing everything possible in your power to be self-sufficient. I think I've gone so far off the left side I've horseshoed around. Everyone should be striving to be as self-sufficient as possible and not need to rely on external forces. I'm far from it, but I'm trying, at least given the past few years (and especially this month) I'm preparing for bad situations.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

That is the mindset that got us here. Maybe it will help to double down, but the reality is we don't know, we're in uncharted waters

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You won't get downvoted. Ideally you'd have both parties suck it up and work together and combine ideologies. But.. well you know... Babies

[-] zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Nah, I'm not talking about the actual current Republican party nowadays. They need to die out and form a new party that's actually conservative. It's the most corrupt swamp straight outta Uzbekistan or Russia at this point. The things they're doing now, no Democrats should compromise on ever.

[-] Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Ideally you wouldn't have two parties, but have an odd number of parties to figure it out. So three at minimum

[-] zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Ideally you'd have multi-party coalition districts with RCV or STV to elect them. We have a duopoly because of FPTP.

[-] Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Ideally people wouldn’t use abbreviations in general context. Searching for it on Ecosia doesn’t help that much either.

But coalitions are a mess on their own, just check politics in Europe. At least Geert Wilders is only an example for Trump and nowhere near as bas

[-] Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Describing the good of the opinions that are more on the right side of the spectrum isn't going to come across as good if you use conservatives to describe it.

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