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Any kind of on the ground movement or mobilization needs political support in the halls of power. It's what made the resistance demonstrated against Trump the first term possible, and the dynamic goes both ways. On the ground resistance gives political actors the space to be resilient. Resilient politicians give in the ground movement space to work.
Basically all other Democrats other than Bernie and AOC shrivelling up and hiding in their shells will have a chilling effect on our ability to organize on the ground.
I've been bitching about the lack of leadership from the Democrats for a while now - I'm glad to see that others are seeing it too.
They need to dump Wasserman-Schulz. She's a big part of the reason we're in this mess.
It's all been downhill since JFK...
LBJ at least pushed for laws, he helped convince white senators to vote for the Civil Rights Act. I think if we had a second LBJ, we'd have something done.
...I'd rather not have a new VIetnam war if that was the case, however.
Heinrich from NM has made it clear that he will pushback. Let’s see what that looks like. I suggest folks that can contact your reps, now and frequently.
Every day I have sent mine a note from the contact form on their pages. Angrily
Don't use the contact form or send an email. Call them. Even better, show up in person if possible. The contact form can be filled out from anywhere by anything, same as sending an email. Calling at least lets them know an actual person, likely a local voter, holds the views expressed and is more memorable and harder to ignore. Showing up in person even more so.
It's funny. sounds like you're giving up already, and blaming the Dems.
You got Bernie and the Squad.
If you want to put some backbone in the Dems in office, go out and start a voter registration drive. Let them see that there are people who will support them.
What? The time for a voter registration drive was a year ago. We're well past that now. You can't vote out a dictator.
It's time for more direct action. We need protests. We need strikes. We need people in the streets fighting for their rights because they're being taken away by the day.
What is it about the lemm.ee domain that produces accounts with the most cringe, awful takes?
Hey that's our job!
I think they just assume that everyone is a weak kneed and terminally online as themselves.
What part of registering voters is 'cringe' to you?
The lack of self awareness in this comment is truly sublime.
So enlighten me. Did you have a better plan in 2024? Somethings besides voting? What's your sure-fire winning strategy that you didn't use yet?
Who's talking about voting as resistance, besides you? There's a conversation to be had about it sure, but it's not the conversation being had now, here. You trying to shift the focus to a subject you're comfortably confident about discussing is why you're being criticized, not for the merit of what you're saying on its own.
The Dems have given up. Because it's time for them to take a vacation after playing the part for their rich donors for the last 4 years.
Understanding and recognizing how the world functions isn't equivalent to giving up. Nor is "hope" for the sake of hope any kind of a strategy. And yes. The Dem's are the fucking problem and always have been. Nothing about this fascist takeover would have ever been possible with out the complicity and milquetoast politics of Democrats. They are a worthless and abhorrent party with no integrity and barely worth supporting, beyond the weakest possible argument of them being the "lessor" evil. The rise of fascism would be impossible with out the previous 30 years of normalization politics out of Democrats. Start a voter registration drive? Give me a fucking break with the navel gazing. Voting isn't going to save the Union.
We may need the squad to break away from a Democratic party that has shown its self incapable of wielding power in such a way as to prevent the rise of fascism. What we'll need for on the ground movements to be successful is support in some way from the halls of power. That doesn't necessarily mean working with Democrats.
What's the alternative? Register as Republicans and do a hostile takeover of that party?
State level electoral reform
I dunno, seems like the fascists are the problem, actually.
The moderates that tolerate fascists and thus enable them are always the problem, actually. The fascists fail without them but succeed with them, every time.
So the fascists... aren't the problem?
My comment didn't even slightly say anything even remotely resembling that, and you fucking know it. Quit commenting in bad faith.
It did, though. Or at least the message you're presenting seems to indicate that.
I'm fairly sure you phrased it like this as a retort to the first commenter's comment, but you gotta see how insisting the blame 'actually' lies with the moderates and the people enabling the fascists is pretty clearly interpretable as shifting the responsibility. Both parties are to blame, but you're implying that the bulk of the criticism lies with the people being passive about allowing the fascist takeover instead of with the people exploiting the resource they've found in moderates by doing the fascism.
Dems didn't get their shit together and exploit the moderates first to prevent this, but while that does make them culpable for the current fascist power grab, it does not make them equally culpable, and that is the position you seem to be presenting.
I'll paraphrase another comment I made today responding to the same sort of argument:
Of fucking course the fascists are the problem; that goes without saying.
And that's just it: it goes without saying. The fascists themselves might as well be written off as a lost cause. The fact that moderates act as their enablers, on the other hand, does need to be said because that's the thing persuasive words might be able to change.
Rome is burning, even Nero is out there organizing the firefighters, and you want to righteously split grammatical hairs? I don't even have a fiddle metaphor, this is just dumb on both our parts. For quite a few people, people who are even on your side already, it did not go without saying. For 40%+ of the country it doesn't even go without saying that trump is a fascist. Your opinions are not objectionable, hell from a quick browse through your comment history we agree on pretty much every point, the only problem here is that your message is getting drowned by your very understandable fear and anger.
Lashing out at your allies when they think your message is getting lost in the rhetoric is going to accomplish nothing except see you have to fight alone, and neither you nor I will survive this by ourselves.
Maybe learn like, even a tiny bit about the history of fascism and how it comes into being and how it takes power.
Who is this 'we' you speak of?
I really wanted Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024. Somehow 'we' managed not to get out and get him nominated.
But now, somehow, 'we' are going to get organized.
Until 'we' shows me that they can organize a weinie roast, I'll stick with the people who are actually on the ballot.
I also notice that you had nothing to say about registering voters as an actual tool.
I guess you missed the part where we were manning barricades and taking tear gas canisters to the face in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022.. directly confronting fascism on the streets and taking it to them. Your obtuseness has no external meaning.
If voting changed anything about this system, they'd make it illegal. Voting as a strategy to stop fascism was attempted in 2020. The result was a 4 year hiatus, but with no real ability or intention to take action against fascism. Biden could have had Trump arrested on day fucking one of taking power. He chose not to. Democrats chose to only make a show of any kind of consequences for a literal attempted coup, because to them, it simply wasn't a priority. Voting as a strategy to change the system doesn't work when the people you are obligated to vote for as the "opposition party" are not, and will not, and have no interest in changing the system: ie, Democrats.
So, in other words, bOTh SidES arE tHe SAMe. Don't vote, because it doesn't work.
At a certain point its obvious that you are just intentionally missing the point.
It's like you just type away and don't even bother reading what you wrote.
Another NPC saying "The Left who didn't vote are to blame" as a concern troll for the Right... Sowing the seeds of doubt basically. Shame on you but you have no shame.
Bruh don't use the term "NPC"