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The fact that this is a real image is infuriating
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20-01-2025. This is a real image
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Honestly I try not to get caught up in all the drama.
I could care less about what they do since I don't have any control over it.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak for me.
The problem is liberals only speak out, in action they don't do shit to protect the vulnerable, they never hold their own politicians accountable for their inaction.
We aren't talking about Nazi Germany here. If there is something going down I want to know about it. However, so far it is just been more gossip type stuff than anything.
The news and media likes to drive engagement. To do that they create strong emotions.
In a thread with a video of Elon Musk giving a Nazi Seig Heil twice. The same Elon Musk who threw down his support of Germany's far-right AfD party. The same Elon Musk who threw a live event for them on Twitter.
If you can't see what's going on here you have done a miraculous job at keeping yourself ignorant. This is all about Nazi Germany. Except that now it's Nazi America.
Well America is backing Israel so I don't see Antisemitic views going anywhere.
Currently a lot of the Anti semitism come from people blaming Jews for what's happening in Gaza. There have been a lot of attacks on Mosques and even some anti Israel protests in front of them.
In short I don't think the Trump administration is Nazi. There other words you could use but Nazi is not one of them.
Edit:
I meant synagogue not Mosque. However, there have been attacks on both.
I'd be quite interested in what that would be...
That they have the courage to actually do a Nazi-salute, very likely without consequences, what is it if it is not Nazi?
I think you're under the impression that Nazis only killed Jews or that they have a particular link with them. Nearly half the victims of the holocaust were not Jews. They didn't even start with killing Jews. They worked up to them later. They started with homosexuals, the disabled, sick, Slavic peoples, Roma (gypsies).
The numbers generally referenced are that of the 11 million people murdered in the holocaust, 6 million were Jewish, and 5 million were not.
No one (except for a very few nut jobs) is blaming Jews for the genocide that is happening, they're blaming the state of Israel. The current government and individual people making the decisions. Disagreeing with apartheid Israel does not equal 'blaming jews'.
Also, look into Christian Zionism. There are a lot of literal nazis and other antisemites who are thrilled about backing Israel right now, because they think that this is all part of a prophecy that brings about the end times or something... And this prophecy does not end well for Jews. So no, supporting Israel does not necessarily mean someone isn't antisemetic right now either.
You have a literal video-taped proof that it's Nazi USA and you talk about gossip?
Yet
That's fair enough
I just find it annoying that some people take a few clips and images and draw wild conclusions. Right now the US is backing Israel so I don't think we will see Trump attacking Jews any time soon.
What's your conclusion of this obvious Nazi salute?
I don't know since this is just one image.
It's not an image, it's a video where he does it twice, in a very obvious way, it's linked multiple times around here already.
Jews weren't the sole target of the Nazis. Liberals, socialists, communists, union members, homosexuals etc etc.
I don't think anyone believes Musk and his bestie is gonna round up Jews in concentration camps. But maybe in time it could be the aforementioned people.
So Elon Musk heiling on stage, expressing love for the nazi-lite patry in Germany (of all places) and the President cozying up to Israel where one of the minister describes himself as "fascist" is maybe not wild conclusions.
Not seeing this for what it is is missing the forrest for all trees.
The Nazis are associated with the Holocaust rightfully so, but it ends up with people thinking that all it entails is anti-semitism. Trump and Elon Musk can back Israel and be Nazis.
That’s the Russian way. „I don’t have control, I don’t really know, better not get involved“.
The problem is, I kind of feel the same way. It’s just too much at some point.
Yes, part of the authoritarian playbook is to train the populace to disengage from politics.
Well, that they already did
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”