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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by ShotDonkey@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Mate they're mainstreaming fascist rhetoric. Over 60% of Republicans now believe in the Great Replacement theory aka White Genocide, which used to be a conspiracy theory on the fringes of white nationalist propaganda just about a decade ago.

I encourage you to not get hung up on symbolism and instead look to ideology and rhetoric.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Leaving aside the absurd and juvenile "Nazi" slur ("fascist" is less of a stretch), I disagree with your analysis. I think it's exactly the opposite. I think it's because mainstream politicians have refused to address the reasonable aspects of people's concerns (about immigration, in particular), and because progressive activists have gone off the leash in their wild accusations of racism at the slightest contradiction of their opinions, that we've ended up in this situation of the far right getting into power all over the place.

Once again: I do not vote for these parties. Anyway, we are now completely offtopic so let's leave it there.

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So yes they're fascist, but the progressives complained too much about racism, and therefore it's fine to support the fascists?

IDK what to tell you but your political ideology is privileged garbage. You're more scared of being called racist than of fascism. The kind of "yes ethnic cleansing but please no mean language" attitude. Please get a political education and your priorities straight.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

With your insults and condescension, you're just proving my point.

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah I never doubted you'd have a reason to dismiss being called out like that. Getting your feelings hurt invalidates everything else. I feel like I'm talking to myself from 10 years ago.

You don't have to take it from me. If you're a student of history, maybe start with Umberto Eco. He knew a thing or two about fascism, I've heard.

The biggest mistake we can make is to assume it can't happen again.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Your condescension is reaching new levels! It's not working, try something else.

[-] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

ah, weβ€˜re getting somewhere. You have doubts about something, therefore the opposite must be right. Makes sense that you said the Republican party is the party for the little guy now.

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