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[-] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 31 points 20 hours ago

Has there ever been a time in human history where we were just allowed to exist for our passions and not work for survival? Our economic system definitely has its flaws, but this meme paints with too broad strokes.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 hours ago

You don't work merely for your own survival under capitalism, most of your labor goes to supporting the capitalist class (and bombing foreigners to keep resources cheap so those capitalists can make even more money).

Half a century ago, working in a grocery store was enough to buy a home, raise a family, and put a kid through college. The job did not get less productive, if anything each worker produces more than ever with automation, but a greater share goes to the capitalist class, both through stagnant wages and increasing costs.

[-] EldritchFeminity 5 points 14 hours ago

If we're talking specifically about art, historically, there was the patronage system where wealthy people would pay artists that they liked to largely just spend their days painting whatever they liked. It wasn't something every artist could take advantage of (Van Gogh died a poor pauper because his paintings basically didn't sell at all until after his death, for example), but it did exist.

Also, genuine question if anybody knows, what about the philosophers of old? Did they get paid as teachers of their school of theory or something?

It's not like there was ever a time when people simply didn't work at all, but there is a large portion of the population today who don't feel like their work is anything other than busywork with no reason to it, and that makes them miserable even doing something that they love. There are people out there who love picking up garbage for a living because they know that they're doing something that makes a difference.

[-] School_Lunch@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The Renaissance was a time of a vast labor shortage. This allowed workers to demand higher wages, and it also allowed leisure time to study new things and make new art.

[-] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 5 points 19 hours ago

This is true also when you have strong unions to bargain for good benefits. Still, you need to do some work, as opposed to the message of the meme "you have to pay for being alive".

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 5 points 17 hours ago

Unions are a band aid solution to capital exploitation.

it's still in their best interest to oppose automation so members can continue to work pointless jobs for a wage.

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