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God when will people stop falling for this crap, this is exactly the culture war repubs are waging. Half of them don't even give a crap about shitting on LGBTQ+, what they care about is shitting on the Dems so R's can stay in power. They put the poison pill in a bill that Biden has no choice but to sign, JUST TO GET HEADLINES LIKE THIS, so that progressives will blame Biden and the democrats instead of the magats. And you fall for it every time. Sure, sometimes you also blame the R's for actually doing the bad things, but you always blame democrats when they aren't able to stop R's from doing the bad things. You all might hate the military but we kind of need one and if we just shut it down we're leaving ourselves vulnerable. What you are doing by blaming Biden for this is like saying yeah what the rapist did was wrong but she didn't fight him off hard enough, she must have wanted it. smh
He could have refused to sign. But that might have violated one of the precious norms that Democrats care more about than trans people.
Tell us you have no idea how the government works without telling us you have no idea how the government works.
Centrists pull out the "you don't know how government works" gaslighting whenever someone calls them out and they have no actual rebuttal.
Concession accepted.
It's called facing reality and dealing with it, which isn't nearly as much fun as mindlessly bashing oversimplified interpretations of click-bait headlines. Sure, it's nice to play the game online where you pick one issue and ignore all the other issues no matter how important they are, but in the real world you have to do the best you can do. The consequences of vetoing the bill would be huge, while one of the articles posted elsewhere in the comments here[1] talks about the number of children who could be affected and that there are very few circumstances where the provision in the bill would have an impact (e.g. it only disallows treatments that would result in sterilization, which doesn't include puberty blockers, etc.). But you're obviously not interested in seriously considering the details and practicalities of the real world situation, just enjoying railing against Biden, so have fun with that.
[1] edit to repost that link: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/12/senate-passes-military-bill-with-provision-restricting-trans-healthcare/
The copium is strong in this one.
I already accepted your concession. You got what you wanted out of this bill. It's a shame they had to fund the military too, huh?
Being willing to sacrifice the rights and protections of 'a few' minorities so that our already inflated military doesn't face delays in payment is exactly what Biden and the other democrats are being criticized for here.
That you agree that those rights are unimportant isn't exactly the impassioned defense you think it is
Democrats aren't just willing to sacrifice trans people. They're eager to.
"But protecting minorities just isn't popular. We'll never win if we're too woke."
Anyone who could vote and says they care about the rights of trans people better have voted for Harris or you have no standing on this issue.
Lmao
"Only people who were able to set aside their moral/ethical objections to genocide are qualified to speak on the topic of standing up for minority rights"
Why didnt the Democrats block this bill and accuse the Republicans of trying to abuse it to pass their bigotry, rather putting millions of people well being on the line?
If you always play the bad game instead of standing up from the table and calling it out, it is because you do like playing the game and you are fine with the consequences.
Of course Democrats called them out on it and tried to pass an amendment to strip it out: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/12/democrats-stand-up-for-trans-kids-during-senate-debate-on-military-health-care-provision/
My OP point is, stop reacting to click bait headlines in just the way they meant for you to, Actually read enough to get an understanding of what the bills are and what's in them, what happened during the process they went through, and why various people acted how they did before jumping to conclusions. Stop falling for dirty political tactics designed to keep magats in power and promote their christian nationalist agendas while keeping the rest of us fighting with each other so they can keep getting reelected.
But they still passed it, no? They made the compromise towards bigotry, without getting compromise towards center positions back from the Reps. So step by step the country moves further to the far right, as the Democrats don't put their heels in and block the move over red lines.
They didn't fucking stand up for people like me, they capitulated. Biden could have vetoed.
Some Democrats did. The amendment didn't even get a vote. Biden is a Democrat who very much did not stand up to it.