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[-] uis@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago

Say what you can about communism, but you clearly see that capitalism is so much worse.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

lol and I say this as someone who grew up in Soviet occupied eastern europe. Trust me, there are very few systems worse than communism, well at least, that version of it.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Communism lifted an illiterate nation of serfs into an industrial and atomic super power in, like, 50 years.

Which is to say just as bad as capitalism but approximately four times faster.

[-] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Heard someone say that their grandparents who left the USSR during the collapse in the early 90's told them something along the lines of "not everything the Soviet government promised us about communism was true, but everything they told us about capitalism is true."

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I don’t think any of the nations who call themselves “communists” can actually be considered communist. Hell, most of them are pretty much dictatorships, which is the farthest you can get from communism.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

If were gonna start arguing semantics though, then what is pure capitalism? As even the US has limits on what capitalist shenanigans they draw the lines on. Ie policies like antitrust laws, which are explicitly to prevent monopolies, because while capitalism strive for monopolies, monopolies also usually kill the market so...

The answer is obviously socialism when defined as the government owning or regulating the means of production, meaning just regulation is enough no need to own them.

Communism doesn't work yet because we can't seem to plan resources use for large economies as efficiently as organic markets do it.

But unregulated markets just destroy themselves, end up overexpensive enshittified adfests trying to push subpar products to you that won't last you even the walk home.

Capitalism is like the cancerous form of market economies.

And communism has historically been about as healthy as the vegan diet of a nutritionally uninformed anemic teenager. Its not bad as an idea, but market economies just work better when they're properly regulated.

I'd definitely argue with you that countries like China aren't actually communist.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/capitalism-with-chinese-characteristics/CECD36DB2C3623DEE4670F7897BAA3CB

[-] Asetru@feddit.org 10 points 1 year ago

But was it communism? Or was it labour camps and dictatorship?

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They're the same picture.

[-] pythonoob@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

It was also responsible for the highly anti-intellectual culture that existed and still continues in said country today. So it swings both ways.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Anti-intellectual cultire fixated on higher education? I'm not saying that we don't have collective mental disorders. Maybe during Stalin(see Doctors' Case, cybernetics and genetics), but generally no.

[-] pythonoob@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

The whole sctick of the Bolsheviks was to equalize everyone. Anyone that specialized in anything was demonized. Was the country started starving, that's when higher education and allowing citizens to specialize again started to become the focus.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, USSR became a superpower where most areas were without toilets…

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Okay, move to Cuba or North Korea where they still try to pursue communism and where they still have not realized how broken system it is. You will surely enjoy life there :D

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

You think North Korea's godking is the accurate administration of communism...?

[-] Strykker@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

So far every "attempt" at communism has resulted in some form of dictator, so it's not surprising that the idea of communism leaves a sour taste for a lot of people.

It really doesn't help that there are communities that look at the Russian outcome of communism and claim that was a good result.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well, obviously every attempt at communism results in a dictatorship. To achieve communism, you firstly need a dictatorship but since it’s impossible to achieve communism, you will end up with socialist dictatorship. That’s why it sucks.

[-] prole 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cuba seems like a decent place to live tbh, especially given the circumstances that we've imposed on them.

They have some of the best healthcare and doctors in the world.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If you promise to stay there, I will buy you a one way ticket. Thanks

[-] prole 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No need my man (or lady, or enby), the coming brain drain will not cost you anything. Well not money at least.

I've got no problem taking my engineering degree somewhere that doesn't worship at the altar of unfettered capitalism.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Having an engineering degree and still wanting to move to a country which does not respect basic human rights and which tries to pursue communism is a very interesting combination indeed.

[-] prole 1 points 1 year ago

I'm chock full of surprises

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago

Judges don't have conflicts of interest in communism?

[-] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

They don't have additional benefits of owning insurance company everyone else doesn't. And neither there would be insurance companies anyway.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

Former healthcare exec != Owner

But let's imagine it did, and there are no owners. Lower stakes don't correspond to lower conflicts.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

... You say every citizen has conflict of interests with... with... with who exactly?

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

Same as it is in this case just stupider stakes.

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