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[-] uis@lemm.ee 41 points 2 days ago

Say what you can about communism, but you clearly see that capitalism is so much worse.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

lol and I say this as someone who grew up in Soviet occupied eastern europe. Trust me, there are very few systems worse than communism, well at least, that version of it.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Okay, move to Cuba or North Korea where they still try to pursue communism and where they still have not realized how broken system it is. You will surely enjoy life there :D

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago

You think North Korea's godking is the accurate administration of communism...?

[-] Strykker@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

So far every "attempt" at communism has resulted in some form of dictator, so it's not surprising that the idea of communism leaves a sour taste for a lot of people.

It really doesn't help that there are communities that look at the Russian outcome of communism and claim that was a good result.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Well, obviously every attempt at communism results in a dictatorship. To achieve communism, you firstly need a dictatorship but since it’s impossible to achieve communism, you will end up with socialist dictatorship. That’s why it sucks.

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Has anything ever been ok in any of these countries? Russia has always been a totalitarian shit hole, same with China. Communism is just a part of their shitty history of oppression and dictators.

[-] Strykker@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

Not really, Russia went from an empire with kings /queens into a revolution into a "communjst" dictatorship.

China was similar but I think had a step in the middle, hence the split with Taiwan.

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

A monarchy is a dictatorship. It's literally someone with absolute authority dictating how what happens in a country.

[-] prole 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Cuba seems like a decent place to live tbh, especially given the circumstances that we've imposed on them.

They have some of the best healthcare and doctors in the world.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

If you promise to stay there, I will buy you a one way ticket. Thanks

[-] prole 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

No need my man (or lady, or enby), the coming brain drain will not cost you anything. Well not money at least.

I've got no problem taking my engineering degree somewhere that doesn't worship at the altar of unfettered capitalism.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Having an engineering degree and still wanting to move to a country which does not respect basic human rights and which tries to pursue communism is a very interesting combination indeed.

[-] prole 1 points 14 hours ago

I'm chock full of surprises

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Cuba is very much a surveillance state, otherwise I believe the main drawbacks are due to oppressive sanctions.

[-] prole 2 points 1 day ago

What isn't a surveillance state these days? Very few I imagine.

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

True, although I would be surprised if for example Britain or the USA has as many political prisoners.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 day ago

Judges don't have conflicts of interest in communism?

[-] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

They don't have additional benefits of owning insurance company everyone else doesn't. And neither there would be insurance companies anyway.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 day ago

Former healthcare exec != Owner

But let's imagine it did, and there are no owners. Lower stakes don't correspond to lower conflicts.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

... You say every citizen has conflict of interests with... with... with who exactly?

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 day ago

Same as it is in this case just stupider stakes.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Communism lifted an illiterate nation of serfs into an industrial and atomic super power in, like, 50 years.

Which is to say just as bad as capitalism but approximately four times faster.

[-] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Heard someone say that their grandparents who left the USSR during the collapse in the early 90's told them something along the lines of "not everything the Soviet government promised us about communism was true, but everything they told us about capitalism is true."

[-] Asetru@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

But was it communism? Or was it labour camps and dictatorship?

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

They're the same picture.

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I don’t think any of the nations who call themselves “communists” can actually be considered communist. Hell, most of them are pretty much dictatorships, which is the farthest you can get from communism.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

If were gonna start arguing semantics though, then what is pure capitalism? As even the US has limits on what capitalist shenanigans they draw the lines on. Ie policies like antitrust laws, which are explicitly to prevent monopolies, because while capitalism strive for monopolies, monopolies also usually kill the market so...

The answer is obviously socialism when defined as the government owning or regulating the means of production, meaning just regulation is enough no need to own them.

Communism doesn't work yet because we can't seem to plan resources use for large economies as efficiently as organic markets do it.

But unregulated markets just destroy themselves, end up overexpensive enshittified adfests trying to push subpar products to you that won't last you even the walk home.

Capitalism is like the cancerous form of market economies.

And communism has historically been about as healthy as the vegan diet of a nutritionally uninformed anemic teenager. Its not bad as an idea, but market economies just work better when they're properly regulated.

I'd definitely argue with you that countries like China aren't actually communist.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/capitalism-with-chinese-characteristics/CECD36DB2C3623DEE4670F7897BAA3CB

[-] pythonoob@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

It was also responsible for the highly anti-intellectual culture that existed and still continues in said country today. So it swings both ways.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Anti-intellectual cultire fixated on higher education? I'm not saying that we don't have collective mental disorders. Maybe during Stalin(see Doctors' Case, cybernetics and genetics), but generally no.

[-] pythonoob@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

The whole sctick of the Bolsheviks was to equalize everyone. Anyone that specialized in anything was demonized. Was the country started starving, that's when higher education and allowing citizens to specialize again started to become the focus.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, USSR became a superpower where most areas were without toilets…

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

They're still without toilets under capitalism.

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