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[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

isn’t this more of an argument for agnosticism? atheism makes the claim that god does not exist, while agnosticism says it’s impossible to know either way.

[-] creation7758@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Depends on what your definition is. As how I and from my experience, most atheists define atheism, atheism is the lack of belief in god for whatever reason. Your reasoning for this can stem from gnosis (knowledge) or agnosticism (without knowledge).

Most atheists are agnostic atheists, who do not make any claims regarding the knowledge of existence of any particular gods.

Gnosticism/Agnosticism is a separate concept from theism/atheism and can be applied to other concepts, not just gods.

[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago

It's impossible to know whether the Earth is controlled by a secret cabal of Reptilians.

Still, I am not a Reptilian agnostic. Agnosticism to me sometimes feels like the enlightened centrism of religion.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Agnosticism leaves the door open to the idea that our reality and our universe could be artificial on a level outside of our perception, on a fundamental level, though for what purpose, I'd say it would be impossible to know.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Wrong again. Atheism is the absence of belief in gods. If you claim that gods don't exist, you have the burden of proof again and that is impossible to prove.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

What is an atheist on a planet of atheists?

If nobody believes in God, then there's no one to convince anyone, and there's nothing to convince.

Are you implying people naturally believe in a god and it has to be denied? I sure didn't.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

In what way was I implying that? You're not making sense.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

If you claim God does not exist, you get the burden of proof

This is only true if the general consensus is "God exists".

If no one has any concept of God to begin with, then what are you arguing?

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

If you have to invent hypothetical scenarios to make your argument sound plausible, it's probably not a good argument.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Considering God is entirely hypothetical, I agree.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

okay i looked it up and apparently atheism can mean a lot of different things. it can mean you either believe there is no god, or that you are basically agnostic, or something in between. (at least that’s what i got from the wikipedia page.) but anyways, the whole “burden of proof” argument does not apply to all forms of atheism, as certain kinds of atheism involve an active belief that no god exists. however, the “burden of proof” argument does apply to all forms agnosticism. so it is still a better argument for agnosticism than it is for atheism.

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