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So, the sticky legal morass is the issue of the pimp (or, as it is more colloquially referred to, the Employer) who seeks to tax some or all of the sex worker's earnings as a condition of her doing business in the area. On the one hand, criminality affords the pimp more leverage by offering "protection" as a condition of rent-seeking the worker. On the other hand, a lot of what is being described above - acquiring working space, soliciting, contracting out sex workers, and extending credit to sex workers - is exactly what a pimp does, in practice.
What we're really getting boxed in by is the very idea of capitalist rent-seeking through the operation of a business. When you're selling anything else, the rent-seeking is considered a value-generating profit motive of an entrepreneur. But as soon as what you're selling involves sex worker's services, we realize what we're advocating is human trafficking.
You can trace this down a bit further and discover how many of these officers are themselves involved in the protection racket, extorting sex workers for money or outright assaulting them under cover of law by using the threat of an arrest as leverage.
The end result of these rules is to limit workers' freedom to travel, to earn income, and to accumulate property. And the goal of these policies - whether it is admitted to or not - is ultimately to compel these workers into underpaid (or outright unpaid) servitude.
The purpose of the system is its results. And modern laws around sex work are designed to compel people into unpaid labor.
This is a good post.
This is a good point in particular. However, it slams into my go to hypothesis for why so many things are kind of bad: People are emotional first and sometimes exclusively so. It happens to all of us. But for most people, sex stuff feels bad in a way that rent-seeking doesn't. You could make as many points as you want with irrefutable logic, flow charts, and diagrams, and it won't get through the skittering heartbeat of "BUT IT FEELS BAD"
I don't really know how to fix this. Dismantle conservative power structures that are centered around placating fear and disgust maybe? If sex work was normalized, in a couple generations many people would probably feel fine about it.
I wouldn't sell logic, flow-charts, and diagrams short. But its worth considering how much sex-negativity pervades Abrahamic Western culture up front. It isn't that we're devoid of logic when it comes to sex and business, its that we've been sold a bill of goods at a very early age. It feels bad because its been drummed into us as bad.
It's difficult to balance, because the defensive social posture around sex is itself a social counterbalance to the aggressive instinctual impulse people can feel naturally. Leaving people to go full Lord of the Flies on their sexual urges leads to violence and fear and resentment. What we want is a more nuanced understanding of the sexual drive. But that's harder to achieve than blanket permission or blanket sanction. You want some kind of bureaucratic convention to apply, which gets you to institutions like marriage, but that gets you to the commodification of virginity which is its own can of worms.
I would argue that sex work is ultimately a negative externality of the rent-system broadly speaking. If you constantly need to generate income for basic essentials - food, shelter, energy, etc - then the people cartelizing those services become your defacto pimps. By contrast, if your basic needs are guaranteed, sex as a profession becomes something you can choose as an entrepreneurial passion rather than a lifeline for your survival.
The fixation on the sex work itself is the problem. What people need is public housing and utilities, guaranteed sustenance, and a pathway to a career of their choosing. That plus decriminalization removes the network of pimps that make sex work truly morally abhorrent.
I don't think this is unique to sex. Sex is often special-cased in ways I don't think it really needs to be. We probably agree more than we disagree here.
No argument here. Basic income and the essentials guaranteed would solve a lot of problems for a lot of people. Certain members of the wealthy would be upset, though