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How do you plan on ending Capitalism without revolution?
Purchase goods from employee owned entities. Support financial transitions away from shareholder owned entities to employee owned entities.
Where has this shown progress towards undermining the Capitalist system, and then not been curtailed by said Capitalist system? It sounds nice on paper but I doubt it's possible.
The problem is people. Greed is a human trait. You could wave a magic wand tomorrow and delete capitalism and greed would resurrect it before the wand cooled off.
You need a system that subverts greed, harnessing the human potential for selfishness to drive common social selflessness. The best answer humans have found is highly regulated capitalism and graduated taxes. This answer (and others) never last because capitalism either breaks out of jail when capitalists gain control of government, or another capitalist society physically (or politically, or economically) destroys or undermines the non-capitalistic one.
It's kind of the same reason cancer kills: It's really good at spreading, and really bad at stopping.
This is idealism, and has no basis in reality. You are projecting the functions and systems of Capitalism as a human problem based on individual moral failings and not on the self-propelling nature of Capitalist accumulation. The best answer is not regulated Capitalism, but Socialism, because that is when humans gain supremacy over Capital, rather than the inverse.
Well, you kind of mean Ideal Socialism. I'm saying none of the solutions humans have implemented have worked, as evidenced by the fact that the planet is not a socialist utopia. The closest we have to that nowadays are the countries that have harnessed capitalism with the yoke of socialism, and even they're constantly fighting their own right wings that are trying to call more back for fewer.
Capitalism isn't a thing, it's a label for a specific human behavior.
I'm talking about Socialism as it actually exists, not some ideal version that only exists in the minds of dreamers. You really need to read some more theory, none of what you say makes any sense, like claiming Capitalism isn't a "thing." Economic systems are real, material relations of production.
I'm not arguing with you! I agree that socialism exists! It does not, however, exist in a vacuum completely free of the influence of capitalism. Every implementation of socialism on the planet has had to work with, or work around, the human propensity towards selfishness to continue existing. The ones that worked against capitalism failed, or were subverted into adopting capitalism in some form. Maybe Cuba got the closest. Even non-contacted tribes that exist outside the sphere of influence only continue to exist because the capitalists haven't decided to try and extract value from them or their land.
You're under a confused idea that markets are Capitalism and that there are no Socialist countries left.
Sure! Show me a socialist county with no capitalism.
Systems are not "mixtures" of one or the other. The existence of Private Property does not mean the system is Capitalist, nor does the existence of Public Property mean the system is Socialist. Capitalism and Socialism are used to describe which is dominant in the overall system, guiding its trajectory. Per Engels:
no clue, but i am a pacifist. I'd only go to war if my country was being invaded.
In that manner, are you actually a Leftist? Morally you support the ideas of Leftism, but oppose the only actual methods of bringing them about. It's similar to supporting the idea of everyone becoming a millionaire overnight, if such a solution does not exist it ceases to be something to support and becomes a nice dream.
i guess so. i don't really have a political affiliation anyways
A "pacifist" who goes to war for their country is affiliated with a political ideology called nationalism
would you not defend your country if you were invaded? i'd assume most normal people would
The country I was born in was born itself from genocide. The first people to arrive had worked to erase a whole people, culture and knowledge because there was land and resources to be stolen.
Women were raped, children were stolen, men were killed. Even to this day, you can't go a year without multiple stories of disgusting abuse from the federal police against indigenous people.
The same country who stuck as many of the surviving genocided people into reservations. The same country that federally determined that those same people do not deserve clean drinking water in the reservations they were forced into. My tax dollars are funding a genocide today.
And what does Canada do? Point to China, accuse them of genocide against the Uyghur people. Hypocrisy. Absolute hypocrisy.
I refuse to fight for this country. I don't feel free. I don't see people feeling free. I think I must fight for the people whose land has been stolen over some imaginary borders that denies me the freedom to connect with people.
I get it, and i agree. But I'm not going to let the US or Russia roll tanks into Canada and make their way to those reserves, as they are the first Canadians and deserve everything for a better life. I will add though that some band chiefs do not make matters better when money given to them doesn't make it to those who need it. They are as much to blame in modern times as much as the federal government.
While on the topic, one thing that struck me as odd, was that people are shocked pikachu face about residential schools. I learned about this shit in the 90's. How is it that nobody knew about this other than the survivors? I blame ignorance.
I refuse to victim blame. These people were put in shitty conditions. What good examples did these people have after having so much of their people, culture and knowledge eradicated? It seems their examples came from their savage invaders.
Blame the true savages who came with murderous intent. They set the expectations. They spread their greedy culture. They made themselves the adult in the room and beat anyone who disagreed with them, including their own who saw the injustices.
I'm not victim blaming, it's been proven even from people living on reserves that they don't see this money come to them (sometimes this is not a absolute truth). What we need is A) build proper housing that's safe B) provide clean drinking water (i cannot believe this is still an issue in 2024) and provide medical care and mental health support to those who need it. And we need to work with these people on the ground, not a representative. This problem needs to end once and for all, and these people need to be recognized as equals, not less.
Proven? Provide proof.
You seem to know what these people need. What are you willing to do for them? Would you rather fight and die for the Country of Canada or for the people whose land has been stolen?
It sucks being forced to pick a side. I hate it. I don't want it. I want to live in peace but bad people keep doing bad things. My life is threatened when any other group of people are targeted. Sitting on the sidelines pointing fingers at everyone just lets the bad people gather more strength. A person's inaction is someone else's death.
To be transparent on my part, I have not done anything to help beyond learning and listening. I am however working on a project currently that aims to bridge the knowledge gap, even just a little bit.
It's easy to say things, a lot harder to do them.
If it came down to it, I'd die fighting for indigenous people. Invading forces means nothing. If Russia or China took over Canada, that just means even more genocide so what's the difference if Canada is already commiting genocide.
i'm going hand's off on this one. You just said that we are committing genocide right now. yikes.
The year is 2024, we stuffed a group of people into reservations and federally announced that we don't need to provide clean drinking water to the people forced into those reservations. You mentioned that yourself.
Just because there's no bullets flying does not mean these people aren't suffering. Physically, mentally, it's pain for them. I stand by my statement.
The yikes should be pointed at those to enable these horrifying actions. The yikes should be pointed at those who refuse to acknowledge these horrifying actions.
Canada is genocidal. From Indigenous peoples to supporting the genocide of Palestinians, Canada is genocidal.
A) There is no current genocide in Canada B) I refuse to talk about there being a genocide in gaza because there is no bi-partisan news coming from there
So you're a genocide denier regarding Indigenous peoples, and you rely on bipartisanism to accept that Palestinians are being systematically eradicated?!
no, there WAS genocide in canada not IS. And i refuse to comment on the gaza/israel crisis because the history is too muddled.
Doubling down on genocide denial of still-existing settler-colonialism within America, and calling the genocide in Gaza "muddled" to absolve Canada of its grave sins domestically and abroad. Do some self-crit.
Do you know the history between israel and the plastelines? nakbah and inifada ring and bells to you?
Yep, more than you do evidently, both Israel and the "Plastelines" as you call Palestinians.
Israel's century-long existence is as a settler-colonial apartheid state backed by Nazi Germany, and currently commits genocide to expand territory and project Western power in the area to secure the Petro Dollar. Its existence endanger Jewish diaspora by fostering hatred for itself, a practice intentional to fuel the narrative that it is "the only safe haven for Jews in the world." Furthermore, Israel is antisemetic towards Yiddish speaking Jews.
Does the invading country have universal health care?
That doesn't really matter to me. If it did i see your point. But i am proud to be Canadian and will defend the country with my life. I was born here and this is my home, i wouldn't let any other country change it at all, our politics will be decided by the peoples of our country, not other countries to roll in with tanks and soldiers.
Please invade the USA
i don't condone war. i prefer diplomatic solutions.
What you're espousing is a textbook definition of nationalism, so there you go, now you know your ideology
You might want to get on that!
naw, im 34, seen and read too much crap. nothing makes sense and its all lies or empty promises. like i said, i guess im not a leftist because i don't believe that citizens should legally be allowed to own firearms.
You can be a Leftist that opposes gun ownership in a post-revolutionary status, while recognizing its necessity in current conditions.
i don't see a necessity in the present. I am happy with the gun laws in my country although not ideal, at least people don't have guns laying around their house or people walking around with pistols holstered on their waist other than the police who require weapons for their jobs.
So then you tacitly support Capitalism and Imperialism, then.
sure.
police do not require weapons
The invasion is coming from inside the house.