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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 37 points 4 weeks ago

The min wage last went up under Dems. Yes, worker rights have expanded under Dems. Yes, Dems kneecapped themselves by taking a public option out of the ACA but at least they got super close, unlike the GOP, whose best claim to policy change on healthcare was that dramatic moment when McCain stopped them from repealing the ACA.

One party wants granny to die from pre-existing conditions, the other isn’t quite left enough for you.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

The min wage last went up under Dems.

15 years ago.

Yes, worker rights have expanded under Dems

As long as you don't consider the right to strike to be a right.

Yes, Dems kneecapped themselves by taking a public option out of the ACA

They kneecap themselves a lot.

but at least they got super close

Why do Democrats keep expecting us to be happy with "we pretended to try"? And again, this was 15 years ago. You can't coast on half-accomplishments forever.

, unlike the GOP

And the assumption that all criticism of Democrats must be support for the GOP rears its head.

One party wants granny to die from pre-existing conditions, the other isn’t quite left enough for you.

One party killed the public option for you. One party made sure the minimum wage stayed low for you. You're happy with what we didn't get.

[-] wes7ley@real.lemmy.fan 23 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

You are the Karen of leftists. Never satisfied, always standing in your own way.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

You just want to do as little as possible and expect everyone to your left (and only your left) to be satisfied with it forever.

ACA was 15 years ago, and was a half measure even then. The minimum wage last went up 15 years ago.

And standing in your own way is what centrists do. It's why the half measure you're still trying to coast on doesn't have a public option.

[-] ebolapie@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

What are you doing other than bitching about the opposition party on Lemmy? Genuinely curious.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

What are you doing apart from demanding that people be satisfied with less just because you want them to have less?

[-] ebolapie@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's okay, man, you're not alone. Most people don't do anything. Civic disengagement is kind of the status quo anymore.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Most people don’t do anything.

Centrists sure get mad when they think people are following the example set by their legislators.

[-] ebolapie@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not angry and I'm certainly not a centrist. All I wanna know is what you're doing to justify taking the moral high ground. Seeing an obvious problem (the DNC is a dumpster fire) doesn't get you points with anyone.

If all you do is post, you're just noise. Do you participate in any kind of direct action? Do you volunteer? Are you advocating for anything, or are you just venting?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

All I wanna know is what you’re doing to justify taking the moral high ground.

Hmmm. Let's see. I didn't repeatedly vote to support an apartheid regime that is actively committing genocide. Democrats did. I didn't cast the deciding vote to double child poverty overnight. A Democrat did. I didn't vote against raising the minimum wage. 8 Democrats voted with Republicans to make sure the workers they hate continue to suffer.

If all you do is post, you’re just noise.

If I'm noise, ignore me.

Do you participate in any kind of direct action? Do you volunteer?

It's not like anything I do will be enough for you. I've been down this road before. The reply is always an indignant "is that all?" You're trying to shift blame from the elected officials and party leaders with whom it actually lies to one individual who has the temerity to criticize. If I'm not using every waking second and every penny I earn in a fruitless attempt to steer the party leftward, you will use that as an excuse to demand my silence regarding the rightward shift of a party that is hell bent on becoming the Second Republican Party.

Are you advocating for anything, or are you just venting?

You don't care in any event; you just want permanent silence of all voices to the left of party leadership.

[-] fukhueson@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

That does it, I'm voting Democrat!

[-] fukhueson@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I think it's this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

The nirvana fallacy is the informal fallacy of comparing actual things with unrealistic, idealized alternatives. It can also refer to the tendency to assume there is a perfect solution to a particular problem. A closely related concept is the "perfect solution fallacy".

By creating a false dichotomy that presents one option which is obviously advantageous—while at the same time being completely unrealistic—a person using the nirvana fallacy can attack any opposing idea because it is imperfect. Under this fallacy, the choice is not between real world solutions; it is, rather, a choice between one realistic achievable possibility and another unrealistic solution that could in some way be "better".

It is also related to the appeal to purity fallacy where the person rejects all criticism on basis of it being applied to a non ideal case.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Quit defending your fucking warden, wage slave. You're even speaking for them.

The Dems were the stop-gap measure, not our personal opinions. They're corporate Democrats. They protect their own, not us. They'll take us with them if it's an option, they occasionally do, but we ain't the main focus, homie. Never have been. Apple, Meta, Tesla, they're the real clients to the Democratic party.

Fuck em both. Don't give me your half-assed freedom fighters in suits lol.

AOC is just Disney liberal.

Edit: DEFEND YOUR OWNERS, LEMMY

Biden just pardoned his son and you can't afford dental. Mad? Why? You voted for it.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Is this you seething because Dems are trying to end subminimum wage or something?

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