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After being harassed in multiple discord channels by powermod FlyingSquid the news mod blackbeard has shuttered his account and moved to bluesky.

https://ibb.co/cY44MgF

https://lemmy.world/u/Blackbeard

"The recklessness with which people downvote polite disagreements reminds me of all the worst parts of Reddit, and it proves to me that this isn't the social media savior I'd hoped it would be, and is instead just another echo chamber. I hope eventually lemmy.world (and the fediverse more broadly) can grow out of that, but some of the behavior I've seen on the inside from both mods and admins doesn't really inspire much confidence for that kind of evolution in the short term. "

FlyingSquid is the same mod who has the power to siteban people from lemmy.world

Why does lemmy.world keep having issues with their powermods and admins? Why do powermods get the ability to siteban their enemies from the largest instance?

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[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 31 points 21 hours ago

Flying Squid has a site wide reputation for being like this. Arguing/discussing anything with this person is like talking to a wall. Not to mention their overuse and abuse of authority.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 30 points 20 hours ago

If you want some insight, check this user's comments and sort by controversial. Then do the same for FlyingSquid.

Have some citations for that abuse of authority? OP alluded to abuse of authority by pointing out various powers FlyingSquid has, but in my mind very tellingly didn't actually provide any examples of abuse of authority. The screenshotted conversation, where a person with some site admin powers is reporting things as a regular user, and then when a mod gets really hostile and insulting with them, simply says "Oh, okay, I think I just won't participate in your stuff then, if my presence is unwanted," doesn't exactly paint the picture of some kind of power-mad petulant tyrant.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 12 points 20 hours ago

It's clear FS has been doing this for some time and Blackbeard was getting sick and tired of it. Telling someone who regularly reports users to mind what they consider report worthy is something I imagine a lot of mods have to do. Saying "Well then, I guess I won't report anything if that's the way it's going to be" is pretty childish IMO. Especially considering FS is a mod themselves.

FS is just very combative in nature. I've seen it several times. They're not an easy person to have a discussion with.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 16 points 20 hours ago

So, no citations for abuse of power? Just that they had a disagreement with someone in Discord?

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 5 points 19 hours ago

I mean sure, here's an example. https://lemm.ee/post/44255924/15323391

I thought this one was ironic given the topic of conversation from this post.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 10 points 19 hours ago

Oh no! What happened after saroh was banned?

It would be silly if your case for "abuse of power" was that two months ago, FlyingSquid sent one rude message to one user because he made a mistake, so I know it's not that.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 7 points 19 hours ago

People on Lemmy really seem to hate his guts, that much is apparent. Not just in this thread but everywhere else as well.

[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

The general message I’m getting in the comments here are pretty favorable to FS. He’s a good guy. And his private discussion should not have been made public.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 11 points 19 hours ago

I don't think they actually do. I think it's a very vocal contingent, which has at least a little bit of overlap with the "Kamala Harris is literally Hitler" contingent. Also, I don't participate enough in lemmy.world to be aware of what their normal moderation style is, but just based on this one instance it sounds like FlyingSquid unlike most LW mods is interested in taking some kind of action against the "Kamala Harris is literally Hitler" contingent.

Make of that what you will.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

This entire post is because of FlyingSquid throwing a tantrum because Blackbeard told them to mind how they report comments. That's all the was asked. This is after months of this behavior. Then FlyingSquid goes on this whole rant about how they feel unsafe and took a less than hour silence as being ignored and began acting even more childishly.

Meanwhile I gave one example of FlyingSquid literally running into the same thing for a community they mod and threatening to ban the person with absolutely zero discussion. They could have just started with a warning like Blackbeard did but instead went straight for threatening to ban the user.

Are you not seeing the double standard?

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 9 points 19 hours ago

It is obvious that you and I see the screenshotted conversation very differently from one another.

I don't think FlyingSquid should have sent one rude message to that one user that one time, no. I don't see that as any kind of abuse of power.

I think I've said about as much as I want to say about this situation at this point.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 4 points 19 hours ago

Yes, we clearly do.

I don’t see that as any kind of abuse of power.

As an individual action and for majority of users, I would agree with you. But given how FlyingSquid behaved after being asked not to over-report comments and then proceeded to say how they're not going to report anymore, they don't feel safe or welcome in c/news, and views it as hostile. Their treatment of the user in the post I linked just comes across as being very abusive. If FlyingSquid viewed what Blackbeard so badly, what does that say about about their treatment of users in the communities they mod when they approach with much more hostility?

[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago
[-] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 20 hours ago

Yeah i cant believe the people defending them in this thread. I guess anyone can build up a little following of devoted supporters regardless of how childish and argumentative they behave. Really makes you think. Flying Squid does not come out of this looking good in any way.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 16 points 20 hours ago

Why not? flyingsquid simply wanted clarification on how to discern what something is misinformation and what ain't.

Blackbeard seems to not cut it as a mod.

[-] JonsJava@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Blackbeard was actually an excellent mod. I'm not picking sides on this fight, as it was resolved 2 months ago.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 4 points 12 hours ago

Oh lol I failed to miss the dates. OP really tried to dig up dirt for whatever reasons.

[-] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 20 hours ago

Lmao he was literally sea-lioning. Misinformation is also not something that needs to be clarified beyond blackbeards first statement which is "someones opinion that you disagree with, that is clearly just an opinion, is not misinformation". I think the person trying to silence dissenting opinions and then acting like a child when they get called out for it is the one who doesn't cut it as a mod, actually.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 7 points 20 hours ago

yet the other mod (next to blackbeard) said it was fine what FlyingSqud was doing. So how to effing trust in this matter?

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 7 points 20 hours ago

Asking another mod to mind how they report things should not have been met with this kind of hostility. It was a very simple ask.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 9 points 20 hours ago

But in what capacity should someone mind how to report things? Blackbeard failed to clarify, this escalation was on them.

[-] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 20 hours ago

Misinformation applies to statements of fact not opinion. This was the first thing said. Asking for further 'clarification' was done in bad faith and was just an attempt to obfuscate the issue and seem 'reasonable'. Its a tactic most intelligent adults can recognize and wont put up with, like when a child tries to pretend they dont know how to do their chores and just need you to show them 'one more time'. And then goes 'fine since i obviously cant do it right i just wont do it at all'

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago

The first message had Blackbeard clarify the difference between opinion and misinformation. It's pretty straightforward.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 8 points 19 hours ago

I agree with FlyingSquid here. That opinion that borders defamation, equating political runner with several people and even Hitler, is absolute report worthy.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago

Defamation is not against the rules and sounds like quite a bit of a stretch. No one on Lemmy is capable of defaming anyone even remotely that famous. It's clearly an example of frivolous reporting.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 2 points 12 hours ago

Sure defamation is not against server rules. But it's against the law of atlesst in USA and my home country which makes it very much against server rules.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

Again, defamation is a big stretch and the US laws don't matter in Lemmy. .world is hosted in Europe.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Did I only state US laws? No I didn't. My home country would be Germany.

Besides, do ai/web crawler understand that this piece of opinion was just an opinion and not take it as information?

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

https://www.carter-ruck.com/law-guides/defamation-and-privacy-law-in-germany/

The guiding principle is: Untrue factual statements are illegal. Expression of opinion is permissible up to the limit of “abusive criticism”.

In contrast expressions of opinion enjoy fundamental constitutional protection and are thus generally admissible.

The injunctive relief (i.e., an interim injunction), which is obtained by a court’s cease and desist order, may stop an unlawful publication that already took place or is imminent. An injunction is of specific practical importance and can provide fast and effective protection from imminent dam-age. The injunctive relief may address both unlawful texts and impermissible photos or film. It is used in the event of written reporting not only to protect a person against false allegations of facts but – in cases of privacy invasion – also against the expression of opinion. The court’s cease and desist order prohibits the publication of illegal content by a media company.

Yeah, not buying it. Relax buddy. A lot worse has been said online. People are allowed to express their opinions.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 20 hours ago

Patently false and wholly unsupported, too? Tell me you've had irrational run-ins with said mod that somehow refused to react how you wanted, you know without saying it word for word, right?

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