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The gender wars continue 🥹
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This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.
Imagine if you reversed the roles there and said something like issues facing women: handbag not sparkly enough or some shit
There are real issues for both men and women. The fact people think otherwise is part is the root of the problem
But I would be lying.
Look, name an issue that exclusively affects men, and I’ll amend my list. So far, no one has come up with anything.
"Rapes aren't prosecuted" doesn't exclusively effect women by any means. Also, men can get pregnant. Trans men are men.
I understand the point you're making and I generally agree, but to suggest there are not issues that affect young men much more than young women that seriously need fixing is silly.
The insane drug war affects men far, far more than women.
And you'll also notice that, aside from Breyonna Taylor who cops didn't even know was there, virtually every major case involving police extrajudicial murder was of a black man.
“The drug war” is not a male-exclusive problem. That would be like saying that because men are responsible for perpetrating 99% of violent crime, violence is an exclusively male problem. Notice I didn’t say that.
Also, are you sure you want me to add “trans male pregnancy” to the list of male problems? Are you quite sure this is something your fellow men feel strongly about? Don’t be dishonest, please.
Tell me you didn't even look at the image without telling me you didn't look at the image.
And you also don't seem to think men can be raped since you think it's only rapes of women that don't get prosecuted.
I was pointing out the flaw in you claiming these were only problems that involve women. That is only true for most of them if you do not think trans men are men. Are trans men actually men?
I looked at your image. Let’s say the drug war affects men more than women by imprisoning them. I’ll give you that one. Unfortunately, most men don’t care about this issue. In fact they would probably approve.
Here’s a related one: prison rape. It’s a serious problem that affects more men than women. Unfortunately, men don’t care about this issue either. If we talked about it we’d lose the election even worse.
Another male exclusive problem: online radicalization… the infamous alt-right pipeline. This odious trend has reduced male college attendance and made my fellow American men even stupider than they otherwise would be.
Another exclusively male problem: dating culture disparity. Men are expected to pay for dates despite nearly equivalent earning potential.
Why didn’t you mention any of that? Instead you’re focused on the one in a million women who are now trans men who are giving birth (???)
Because men in prison, in numbers exponentially more than women, is a much bigger problem. One that you don't seem to care about.
Also, you still haven't told me if trans men are men, so I guess you don't think they are. Especially when you said "women who are now trans men" as if they weren't always men.
So this is some weird TERF crap. I'm not interested in that sort of bigotry.
Women who are now trans men weren’t always trans men, were they? Maybe they thought of themselves as women for a long time before changing their mind.
What a bizarre argument to have in a thread showcasing your lack of understanding for the kind of things men actually care about and politics in general.
Yep. You're a TERF.
You win. Men have lots of exclusively male problems because, uhh (checks notes), I refused to play your Shibboleth game about trans people.
Don't turn this around on me. You said something that is some bigoted TERF shit about trans people:
Would you say this about gay men and women too? I doubt it.
You've made it very clear you don't think trans men are men, so I'm not sure why you're avoiding it now.
I wouldn’t say that about sexual orientation because unlike gender, sexual orientation can’t be changed, as far as I know.
Philosophically there are two schools of thought. Either gender is arbitrary (1), or gender is not arbitrary (2). If the former, then people’s gender is entirely determined by their preferences, and it can change. If the latter, then there are factors outside of one’s preferences that determine their gender, which cannot change based on personal reflection.
Most people believe that gender can change (position 1). Ergo, my phrasing. Trans men are men. (And gender can change based on your preferences). I’ll freely admit I phrased my reply in a way intended to confuse and annoy you.
A minute ago you were defending men’s rights. Now you want to have a philosophical discussion about the nature of gender? I’m happy to have that conversation, and I doubt we ultimately disagree, but why? What possible bearing does it have on our disagreement over whether “nobody cares about men’s issues?” When in fact as far as I can tell our entire society is organized to help young men succeed.
You can keep lying about what I was saying, but the fact that you can’t say the simple words, “trans men are men,” has laid your bigotry out for all to see.
And lying about what I was saying will not get me to deviate from said bigotry. Not when there are trans people I care about.
Trans men are men.
Trans women are women.
No amount of lying or queerphobia on your part changes those things.
No offense but you’ve lost track of this conversation, and I don’t like playing word games. I feel like you’re pivoting to trans rights (???) despite the fact that we almost certainly agree.
No, we don't. I think trans men are men and I think trans women are women.
You clearly do not since you won't say they are after being given multiple opportunities.
I do not agree with TERFs.
“Being given multiple opportunities.”
Damn, you’re actually nuts. Please get help for all our sakes.
And another opportunity given was not taken advantage of.
I think you've proven your bigotry quite well, which is why you're not resorting to these sorts of silly insults.
Trans men are men and trans women are women. Sorry you don't like those facts. They're still facts.
I agree, but other men disagree. They don’t care or consider that a problem at all. Have you met men?
Mental health issues being ignored by their peers and society as a whole is a pretty big one
You could claim women have mental health problems too and they do but they have spaces to talk about that
So your claim is that “mental health issues” are an exclusively male problem? Because again, the problems I listed for women affect them exclusively.
So do you see what the problem is here?
EDIT: people that downvote this benign comment are proving me right. Braindead.
You ignored part of my message, I said the problem was that men's mental health problems are largely ignored, not that women don't have mental health problems
So to be clear, one of the main issues that men in this country face that women do not face is that “their mental health issues are ignored”?
Who is “ignoring” these mental health issues? There’s no systematic lack of access that needs to be legislated, correct? I had absolutely zero problem getting therapy as a man. It’s a toxic masculinity thing of men themselves being unwilling to see a therapist. Correct?