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submitted 11 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Summary

In an emotional monologue, John Oliver urged undecided and reluctant voters to support Kamala Harris, emphasizing her policies on Medicare, reproductive rights, and poverty reduction.

Addressing frustrations over the Biden administration’s Gaza policy, he acknowledged the struggle for many voters yet cited voices like Georgia State Rep. Ruwa Romman, who supports Harris despite reservations.

Oliver warned of the lasting consequences of a second Trump term, including potential Supreme Court shifts.

Oliver said voting for Harris would mean the world could laugh at this past week’s photo of an orange, gaping-mouthed Trump in a fluorescent vest and allow Americans to carry on with life without worrying about what he might do next.

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 25 points 11 months ago

maybe he should tell kamala how important it is and to do everything possible to gain voters.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 77 points 11 months ago

Either Trump will win, or Harris will win. Choose one to help.

Clearly, obviously, Harris stands a better chance of helping Palestinians than does Trump.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

harris being better is a low bar and i can't support the same system & people that genocided my ancestors out of existence in this country; especially after claiming to abhor it for decades once the trail of tears footnote/paragraph became standard in american history books.

i don't want to be a party to re-legitimizing genocide as acceptable political collateral damage, so i'm voting third party in a solidly blue state and doing so ensures that my vote could never support trump in any way thanks to the same electoral college that gives trump a chance of winning; i'm using the system against itself and i hope others do the same.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 78 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Respectfully, what you wrote doesn't change the binary choice at play:

Trump or Harris will become President no matter what you do.

You could at least help my daughter, my mother, my sister by ensuring the one who supports women's rights gets elected? Who supports LGBTQ+? Who supports climate change initiatives? That's even pretending Harris is equally bad on Gaza or that things couldn't obviously get worse for Palestinians.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 11 months ago

Don’t be silly, those things don’t matter because reasons. But the genocide which we can’t directly control in any way? That is the only thing that truly matters.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

What's funny is their action here means they're condoning genocide in Ukraine.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Leninists 100% unironically do. Though I'm sure they'll try to convince you that it's not a genocide somehow. Despite supporting it.

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You could at least help my daughter, my mother, my sister by ensuring the one who supports women’s rights gets elected? Who supports LGBTQ+? Who supports climate change initiatives? That’s even pretending Harris is equally bad on Gaza or that things couldn’t obviously get worse for Palestinians.

every single one of my identities is targeted by project 2025 and i'm not afraid of it because i benefit from the experience of surviving the aids/hiv crisis in the 1980's. like it is in gaza right now; my government also did little more than make public displays of support while they idly let people die by the thousands back then and that experience has taught me how to recognize that they're doing it again. (it's easy to recognize it this time around since it's literally being done by mostly the same people).

mutual aid was the only thing that helped anyone back then and we'll be going back to doing it again once we enact the few remaining parts of project 2025 that we haven't yet enacted since 1981. your daughter, your mother, your sister, my mother & my husband will not be (and was not) helped by anything trump or harris or any genocider does unless it's by accident and putting faith in them isn't going to help matters since they're clearly hellbent of repeating history.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm glad you're willing to throw that all away, but you're also throwing it away for my family, too... So thanks, I guess...?

And for what? To get Trump elected? You do understand mathematically you're supporting Trump's chances, correct?

Let's also not forget that if Harris is complicit in genocide in Gaza, then you're not voting for Harris means you condone and are complicit on Russia's genocide in Ukraine.

Edit: Bernie Sanders says the choice is clear; to vote for Harris despite Gaza.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

i live in a solidly blue state and i'm voting third party. i could never help trump even if i wanted to because of the same electoral college that's helping him win; i'm using the system against itself, as you should do every chance you get.

my ancestors where genocided out of existence in this country so i'm 100% sure that they would agree with me that being party to the same system & people that have a history of repeatedly using genocide as acceptable political collateral damage is a bad idea and anything good that comes from it is an accident.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

I hear this a lot but:

  • I'd argue that driving up the support for Harris in the popular vote is critical. If Trump wins Electorally, it's still rhetorically important to stifle the notion of a mandate by not letting him get 50%.

  • Blue states have fallen in the past or can shift purple if the line isn't held.

That said, I'm glad you're not in a swing state at least.

Reminder that it was Biden who just recently issued a forceful formal apology to the indigenous people of America. GOP didn't it. Trump mocked it by having a rally on their sacred grounds no less.

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[-] Breezy@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So you're ignorant to what you're doing? Are you just acting like a lost kid or do you not realize trump winning will push the world closer to ww3. Stop bitching, honestly you are contributing to a real threat of the end of the world. Hold harris accountable after we defeat the nazis. The good guys shouldnt fight each other before the main threat is gone. Anyone who continues too isnt really a good person. You can die on your hill all you want, but dont drag others onto it.

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[-] neanderthal@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago

https://psychology-spot.com/basic-laws-of-human-stupidity/?origin=serp_auto

Doing anything else other than voting for Harris in this regard is firmly in the stupid category. Trump would be worse in this regard. You are not only hurting yourself but others as well.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

Stupid people really don't like being called stupid, and in my experience, will be stupid harder just to show you.... Something!

[-] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Lost cause anyway then. Fuck them.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

fun fact: we're more likely to fuck you for not behaving like decent human beings. 🤷 you live here too. next time learn to think less politically and more doing whats morally correct. its far easier and the outcomes tend to be better.

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

i live in a solidy blue state and voting third party so my vote could never support trump in any way thanks to the same electoral college that's helping trump to win; i'm using the system against itself as you should too whenever you have the chance.

i'm also sure that my ancestors would agree with me that being party to re-legitimizing genocide as acceptable political collateral damage and at the hands of the same system & people that genocided them out of existence in this country is a bad idea.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 11 months ago

Wanna guess the number of people that thought that same thing in 2016?

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

wanna guess how much democrats learned from it in 2016?

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 11 months ago

Obviously not nearly enough, since you’re literally repeating the same mistake.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

there's a meme from a protest sign floating around asking why it's easier to accept that hundreds of millions of people lazy rather than accepting that it's a few 100 people creating the problem.

similarly, harris is one person and her changing her strategy will have a bigger impact than millions of people changing theirs to suit hers before the election and she doesn't even have to mean it:

she could literally just pay lip service the day of the election where it can do the least amount of damage when it comes to moderate voters and that would gain the support of people like me; but she won't

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

She has to take current strategy, because people like you are not voting, so in order to win she has to rely on votes of people that you don't agree with.

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[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That the far left vote is fickle and that it's better to try to cater to Dick and Liz Chaney and hope for the solid neoconservative vote instead??

Yeah, abstain from voting harder. Let's see where that gets ya. If you want to pull the party left, the. Prove to the party that there is a left they can pull to.

[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 11 points 11 months ago

Is accepting someone’s support with literally nothing in trade really “catering to” though?

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[-] neanderthal@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

What are you trying to accomplish by posting this stuff? What are you actually accomplishing by posting this stuff?

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago

"Trump couldn't possibly win anyway, so I'm going to make a protest vote."

Why does that sound so familiar?

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

My my, the display of privilege and ignorance. Especially predictable from an ML domain.

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[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago

I was going to bury this lower in the thread but I think this deserves a top line reply.

she could literally just pay lip service the day of the election where it can do the least amount of damage when it comes to moderate voters and that would gain the support of people like me; but she won't

So let's make this perfectly clear for everyone else: this person would sacrifice the rights of women/people of color/lgbtq+ people, accelerate genocide in Gaza/Ukraine/elsewhere, and completely doom any action on climate change.. because they want lip service on an issue they don't actually care about. Wonder why that is?

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago

No, kamala is willing to sacrifice those rights to commit a genocide. trump will impact almost none of those things without support from congress or full of military dictatorship. get your facts straight. no one did this but the DNC and kamala.

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[-] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 months ago

How nice it must be to go through life blaming everyone else for your own stupidity and bad decisions

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

ignorance truly is bliss and i envy you for it.

[-] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

How much more stupid can one person be? I too would envy those with any semblance of intelligence if I was you.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's obviously just not a priority and blaming voters is both lazy and wrong. The Democratic party has shown itself to be a structurally racist institution where subservience to lobbyists is prioritized over victory.

No one asked for any kind of hyberbole from Harris. We simply wanted some kind of a signal that she would be willing to enforce US law (you know, as a prosecutor and as the component of our federal government whose literal job it is to do so) around the use of US arms. We asked for a few minutes on a stages so that we could make the case for why Muslim and Arab voters should stay committed to the Democratic party, and were denied. We could even be afforded lip service by this party, some cheap lies to hold us over, so here we are

There has been nothing gained by this Democratic parties pro-genocide position. But those who are truly to blame for it's maintenance are here. It's the apologists, who blame voters for not accepting the onerous positions in the limited times we get access to political power, who blame those among us who dare try and wield it. Those who defended Harris's position, and argued that you, the voter should be moved to a more moral wrong, rather than the candidate: they own the genocide of the Palestinian people now. Because they demanded we give up our one chance where we have access to power, Election Day, to accept little and less from a broken political system that capitalizes and your willingness to be disappointed.

It's no longer on Harris, dear apologists. This is your genocide now.

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