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Israel brands Palestinian detainees with numbers on their foreheads
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The headline says "brands Palestinians". The article doesn't mention branding. They had numbers written on their foreheads. Most prisons identify prisoners by numbers. Probably not a great idea to just write it on their foreheads but if you have limited ways of marking prisoners it makes sense.
Israels soldiers are shit but how about we use accurate language to describe what they are doing. Lying helps no one.
I agree with your take. Shitty headline. When I think of “branding” , I think of hot iron burnt into flesh.
i would strongly urge you to familiarise yourself with figures of speech lest you're -- you know -- branded as an ignorant person.
Maybe the website should learn not to use language that is ambiguous in order to push an agenda. Looking at these comments there are already a bunch of people who are assuming brand to mean scarification by burning since they evidently only read the headline.
anyone who actually thinks that that headline means literal branding is an illiterate dumbass who needs to read more.
anyone who's trying to sidestep the dehumanisation of prisoners mentioned in the article by throwing focus solely on the literal meaning of the word brand is an amoral dumbass who needs to understand humanity and history more.
I will admit that my first thought was literal branding. This is the IDF we're talking about.
So... 99% of the users in these comments?
Yes, but I think it's also intentional to mislead for clicks.
Brand
1): a mark made by burning with a hot iron to attest manufacture or quality or to designate ownership
(2): a printed mark made for similar purposes :
It mentions a printed mark. Read a dictionary next time you are ~~board~~ bored and want to defend the IDF.
Edit: God I hate modern autocorrect and IDF bought people being wrong while pedantic
So ironic.
Yeah that one is a bit funny. Autocorrect can be a bitch. Doesn't explain you demanding a different word because it has a definition you don't like and ignoring it.
According to the article this is not standard practice at all. The number practice continued during their arrest while they were beaten and tortured
Here is an article about numbering of prisoners in the California penitentiary system. It's been a system to identify prisoners for more than 100 years. Numbers are used to dehumanize all prisoners. It isn't an israeli/palestinian thing.
I only have an issue with the use of "branding" in the headline. If you can't link to a source that doesn't use deceptive headlines then don't post anything. You can't really convert people in good faith to your cause if you're lying to them with ambiguous language.
They do not write the numbers on their forehead from the pictures I see in that article
They wore clothing with numbers on it. The prisoners were numbered and only referred to by that number while they were in the system. Just because they had a number written on their forehead instead of on their clothing doesn't really change the fact that they were numbered.
The only reason your article is getting upvotes is because people assume the palestinians are being branded with numbers (since that's what the headline says). They aren't being branded. Numbers written on someone are not the same as numbers branded on someone.
Again I think the israelis are a bunch of cunts and are dehumanizing the palestinians but you shouldn't lie in a headline. That is unless you're trying to be deceptive...
This user made a great analogy https://lemmy.world/comment/13210775
But besides that, there is a different level of dehumanization when writing directly on people. Especially when combined with beatings and torture.
The parallels are eerily similar, which was likely what the author was trying to evoke as well.
So once again you just ignore the "branding" issue. I'm blocking you since you obviously have some sort of agenda and don't engage in good faith. Good day.
Once again you focus on irrelevant minutae to avoid acknowledging that it is a comparable dehumanization tactic.
Dehumanization happens to all prisoners.
Not all dehumanization is the same.
Numbers on an outfit are different than numbers written on foreheads.
They are not prisoners. They are Palestinian hostages who had been jailed and tortured without trial. Turns out they were innocent and then released.
As an aside, I've never understood why people announce they're blocking someone, unsubscribing, etc. Nobody cares except you. What's even more weird is when someone claims "I'm blocking you" then keeps arguing with that person.
Example:
And here you are two hours later still responding to the person you "blocked."
For someone being so pedantic about the definition and misuse of a word you seem to be doing the same thing you're complianing about: using a word to be misleading.
Blocking means you don't engage with that user in any way anymore. You mislead us into believing you were going to block someone (as weird as that is to announce it) and continue to debate that person.
I have no opinions on the debate you're having, I just felt the need to point out your hypocrisy.
You have reading comprehension issues since the person I'm replying to here is not the same person I blocked.
My bad, I didn't notice it was someone else.
My point still stands that it's weird that you keep announcing you're blocking someone. You do it a lot.
Wow, what strong resolve you have for your side.
My side is proper use of language and not using rage bait or deception to try and get clicks.
I have no dog in the israeli/palestinian conflict other than saying the israelis should stop committing war crimes and end apartheid.
But keep making assumptions. It's a good look on all of you. /s
Sure.
That's why you gleefully announced you were blocking a person to close in your echo chamber more to ignore reality and why you refuse to look up the definition of brand and use a specific version that you want so you can claim it as wrong?
1): a mark made by burning with a hot iron to attest manufacture or quality or to designate ownership (2): a printed mark made for similar purposes : trademark
Cause printed would cover using a marker or tattoo on someone's body. Literally.
Or are you just upset people are upset at this and want to excuse it so that people are less so? If you have no fight in this leave and don't respond to people here anymore. You are off topic and bad at vocabulary anyways and it's distracting.
Oh look, another clown to block.
If we're comparing with established prison practice let's also mention how prisoners also get human rights, habeas corpus, due process, equal treatment and stuff like that. Israel has none of that for Palestinians.