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Anon cuddles with his first gf
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Drag doesn't believe in lesbians. Drag thinks they're just gay women. There's no reason gay women are special in a way that gay men and gay enbies aren't. The only reason we have the word lesbian, is because sexist old men didn't think women could really be gay. We should just get rid of the word and say gay woman instead.
Bad take.
You’re erasing the existence of Sappho, who was so gay for girls that the island she came from—the place heretofore unknown for anything—is now known for just how goddamn queer she was, and everyone who experiences sapphic love (hey, another word that got coined off of one poet’s fantastically omnipresent woman lust).
Lesbians. Sapphic lesbians. From Lesbos. That Sappho started. Why?
Girls pretty.
And yet nobody calls gay men thessalians, despite Achilles being from Thessaly. It's because we don't need to, we already have the word gay. The only reason we don't just use the word gay for women, is that homophobes thought women couldn't be gay. They needed a euphemism. We don't need a euphemism.
Let’s make things clear: you don’t need a euphemism.
I want more euphemisms. I want this language to have some goddamn options and I want the number of words in this language to never fucking decrease for any reason.
Drag thinks that means you want words like aryan and the N word with the hard R to stick around, and drag doesn't like that opinion.
Every single one of those words should exist. Even the slurs. That way, we know who’s trouble.
Motherfucker, I do not believe I made myself clear, so allow me to retort:
Languages should not ever shrink at all. Ever. Shrinking languages is some nazi-ass, 1984-ass fascist shit.
Isn't that kind of hypocritical for you to say, though?
It is not.
To censor a language is to censor thought itself.
And if slurs and insults become censored and incapable of thought, what else is on the table, up for removal? Words about being queer, words about body rights, words about lived experiences, words that aren’t fucking corpo-washed.
I have made my point in an unerring straight goddamn line.
Languages should not shrink for any goddamn reason.
Now go to bed, it’s 5:37 in the morning.
No, drag means it's hypocritical of you, because drag invented a new word and you didn't use it. In fact, you used a different, more common word instead during the appropriate time to use drag's word.
I don’t have to use your word, I can use whatever words I want. It’s why there are options.
You can use whatever words you want to, and you don’t have to use the words I provide.
You don’t have to use the words anyone provides, and no one has to use the words you provide.
This is how language develops, how styles and dialect and vocabulary develops.
And you can stay up and fill my inbox, I don’t care anymore, but I’m going to sleep. To bed. Conk out. Hitting the hay. Getting some rest. Zonk.
Drag doesn't understand why you're so insistent on making the english language smaller and preventing people from expressing themselves with new words. Maybe your views are just flip-flopping to whatever lets you deny the self-expression of queer people. It sure feels that way when you refuse to use drag's neopronouns.
I think it's safe to assume they don't realize that drag is referring to dragself's pronouns, and that the word "you" is the problem (I'm also not sure that I've got it right- lmk).
My input on the debate, while I'm here, is that people should be free to refer to themselves with whatever label they want, even if I think it's problematic, especially when it comes to something so personal like sexuality
(Edited to correct grammar)
Thank you. You almost have it right. The only thing is that drag's pronouns are not capitalised. Drag is not a god.
Drag doesn't think we should police people who use the word lesbian. Drag thinks we should just make sure that everyone's aware of both sides of the issue. Drag suspects that doing so would lead to the word being abandoned willingly by gay women, the same way trans people abandoned words like transvestite. These days, if an older trans woman calls herself a transvestite, everyone knows she's old fashioned but doesn't think much beyond that. Drag thinks that's how the word lesbian is going to end up.
Lol, I noticed that, sorry. How neat would it be though if it was like a sign of respect/disrespect to capitalize/lowercase pronouns?
That's fair! I did appreciate reading the opinions/info you provided elsewhere in the comments
Drag has met capitalised pronoun users. They didn't think it was a sign of respect, and They got pretty mad if someone insisted that it was. They wanted to be treated the same as everyone else while still being Themselves. Unfortunately, many people think that's a contradiction.
Or how ‘bout this radical idea - we should let lesbians decide what word to call themselves? It’s awfully odd to decide to redefine a group of people without getting that group’s input on the matter.
https://www.womensrepublic.net/the-demonization-of-the-word-lesbian/
https://medium.com/@viridiangrail/why-i-dont-identify-as-a-lesbian-anymore-26d673561e62
Thank you for including these perspectives. This is the kind of context that puts the big picture together.
I apologize for coming off rude. It’s not easy to tell online which perspective a person is arguing from, or if they are arguing in good faith. I appreciate that you provided additional information and viewpoints from other people. It gives me something new to think about.
I don't know that I agree, or really have the basis to form an opinion, but upvote for sharing your opinion.