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I saw that movie with my dad, who spent years reading about the Titanic because he took an interest in it for some reason.
I'm not sure which one of us hated that movie more.
I'm glad that people are looking back on it these days and realizing it was just not a good movie.
If you want to see a good Titanic movie, check out A Night to Remember, made in the UK in 1958. Sure, it won't have the dazzling special effects. It also doesn't have a stupid as fuck plot.
Did it have a dude bouncing off a propeller while emitting the Wilhelm Scream? I didn't think so.
If you take out the Jack/Rose love story and add some of the Californian's scenes and a bit in the wireless room, you could edit Cameron's Titanic down to a pretty good remake of A Night to Remember. He was clearly influenced by it, some scenes are lifted straight from the ANtR narrative even though they are known to be inaccurate (Andrews in the first class smoking room, Smith on the bridge as the ship goes down come to mind).
I like the Cameron Titanic, actually. The love story notwithstanding, it's well worth watching for his attention to detail. The reconstruction of the ship was meticulous, and with a few notable exceptions for dramatic license, the account of the sinking is quite accurate (for the information we had at the time - we now know the breakup is incorrect, but at the time it was the best theory) and contains quite a few easter eggs for Titanic nerds. (like me)
That said... I love A Night to Remember and watch it every year on the anniversary of the sinking. The book is well worth reading, too. Walter Lord assembled his narrative based on correspondence with as many survivors as he could reach - often verbatim as they told it, and it's really a riveting read.
Funny, I recommended A Night to Remember elsewhere in this post as a far better film.
Anyway, I agree with you on the detail. It was very impressive. I just won't sit through the film to watch it when I can watch A Night to Remember, even if they didn't know certain details, like the ship splitting in half.
Yeah, I haven't actually sat down to watch the 1997 Titanic in a long time, for that reason. A Night to Remember exists. 1997 Titanic breaks in half, but in the wrong place, so they're both wrong about it ;)
Being a huge nerd on certain topics tend to ruin the fun of watching movies.
True, but I was not a nerd on the topic. I just thought it was stupid to shoehorn a boring forbidden love subplot into a movie about the most famous fucking ship sinking of all time as if that alone wasn't dramatic enough.
What about Noah's Ark? What about the Argo?
What about the U.S.S. Enterprise?
I'm not talking about fictional ships.
Also, the Ark famously did not sink.
The Argo isn't fictional. It was a prominent part of the Hellenic religion's myths. People believed in it.
People believed and still believe in a lot of fictional things.
I'm not sure why you think "people believed in it" is an argument for the existence of anything. You're even calling it a myth yourself. You might look up the meaning of that word.
Gender is also a myth. You might as well argue Socrates wasn't a famous man, because maleness is a myth.
No, gender is a social construct, not a myth. That's like saying fashion is a myth.
You're making the most bizarre argument I have ever seen. People believed in Anubis for thousands of years. Please do show me one shred of evidence for the existence of Anubis as a real being.
Social constructs and myths are the same thing.
I see, and you are claiming that all myths that lots of people have believed are true.
Therefore the myth of the intellectually inferior black race is true.
The myth of the inherently greedy Jew is true.
The myth of women being lesser beings than men is true.
The myth that war makes boys into men is true.
Oh, also the myth that you're born male or female and that's what you stay until you die? Also true based on your claim.
Sure this is what you want to claim?
Drag didn't say it's true. Drag said it's not fictional. Fiction and truth are not a dichotomy. They're not even mutually exclusive. There's plenty of things that are both or neither.
The thesaurus disagrees with you.
You do not decide on how everyone else uses language.
Three examples, with evidence, of each please. Note that your personal opinion is note evidence.
Argo fuck yourself (speaking of bad movies).
Then the Bismarck, the Marat or the Yamato? Or Space Battleship Yamato?
Yes? In fact, I haven't even heard of the Marat.
Also, none of those ships have this many movies about them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_about_the_Titanic
I was joking around.
That said, I think there are an infinite amount of films about the Yamato in Japan.
Also, there are no Swedish power metal songs about the Titanic, but there is at least one about the Bismarck and the Dreadnought.
Also, the Dreadnought named a whole ship class internationally.