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[-] UNY0N@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

And what then, the human race just dies out? I get the pessimistic feeling, but we may very well be the only sapient species in this galaxy. It would be such a waste to just give up and perish because of momentary hardships.

We are literally sapient stardust, and I'm certainly not going to give up and throw away the efforts and struggles on millions of ancestors just because of some current corporate greed and fascism is in fashion.

[-] rbos@lemmy.ca 77 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We are in no way at risk of dying out from negative population growth. If we start to go down below a few million, then maybe let's talk.

World population is still increasing, and is set to maybe stabilize in a couple decades. Fingers crossed. If we could (gently, without mass starvation) reduce the population down to a more sustainable level, that is an unmitigatedly good thing.

What might kill us is infertility from pollution or disease, but this won't do it.

[-] MBM@lemmings.world 11 points 9 months ago

gently, without mass starvation

Even more gently if you want to make sure there's enough younger people to care for the elderly

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 23 points 9 months ago

A fuckton of people work bullshit jobs that should not exist. We could run the same society with much, much less people working.

[-] Lowpast@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The real issue is that we have a rapidly aging workforce and there's not enough young people to replace them. With the average age of parents raising, the gap is getting larger. In the 50s it was 16 workers for every 1 retired. The 70s, 5:1. That number is now almost 2:1. This is bad. Very bad.

Higher bar for jobs. Lower wage for entry level. Later retiring age. Higher need for migrant and seasonal workers.

[-] LazerFX@sh.itjust.works 22 points 9 months ago

Aw, crapitalism will break because line cannot always go up.

Cry me a fucking river. Humanity is a cancer, and we need to be about half our current population. Yeah, we're not gonna like it when we drop that population. Our kids, my daughter, are going to have it fucking tough. But if we want to survive long term... We gotta stop.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

Why would bars raise and entry level wages go down if supply is decreasing?

[-] UNY0N@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I totally agree with you. I just hate all of these "don't have kids" arguments from liberal people. It's not a viable solution, because the fascists and the idiots are gong to have kids. We need at least some sane people to continue on.

But the is all emotional and subjective, I'll admit that. I'm not really thinking about this topic with a clear head anymore.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 33 points 9 months ago

We're upright locusts. Stop stroking your ego and look at the state of the world. Humanity doesn't justify itself.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Why would I care if the human race dies out? I won't be here to notice.

Let's instead focus on not burning the place to the ground during our lifetimes.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Really? Why not? You think the impressive development of an intelligent and aware species is important enough to make that same species suffer more and more to the inevitable extinction anyways? Let's do it now while it's still partially habitable so that the end isn't quite as horrific. Your logic makes no sense.

[-] gwen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago

we literally have 8 or 9 billion people dude i think we're good for now

[-] aoidenpa@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I don't share this view. Life is an interesting pattern created by matter, but no need to be spiritual about it. If life ceased to exist, no one would be sad about it. Actually a lot of struggle and pain would be over which is positive in my opinion. In practice, we should value quality of life of conscious beings instead of quantity. Having less is better.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Oh come on, it's a #notallmen moment. Lol

When people say "stop having kids", what they mean is stop having unplanned pregnancies. I don't think that many people want our literal extinction.

[-] Asclepiaz@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I wish all people would stop having kids. I am all for the voluntary human extinction movement. A very key word is voluntary though, which really just makes it an ideology.

[-] UNY0N@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I understand that, I'm very aware that my reaction is emotional and subjective. I'm just sick of reading that sentence over and over and over again.

[-] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Just here to say I feel you and agree with your sentiment.

[-] match@pawb.social 1 points 9 months ago

i also think people are probably good yes

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