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Hey Dems, stop doomscrolling and go win the election
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Remember, if Kamala looses its completely the fault of third party voters and not Kamala's horrible policies. If Kamala wins then itll be the fault of third party voters why she wont do anything constructive.
I'm so sick of hearing about how she won't do anything constructive.
Even if that's true, so what? Who the hell cares?
Who are you going to rent your free room to, the woman who is gonna leave it exactly how you find it, or the guy who's going to drill holes in the wall to mount the equipment to run his meth lab and store his garbage there for weeks on end? I swear to God, some people have the risk assessment ability of krill making a beeline for a group of whales.
I care... deeply. Ineffective milquetoast corporate democrats give more ammunition to right wing extremists... look at decades of weak anti-labor centrists in Europe that are getting pushed out by voters desperate for any change.
Starmer is currently teeing up the UK for some extremist tory by being a centrist labor PM who is unlikely to address any of the people's pain points.
If democrats actually did shit (and, as an aside, Biden is actually doing shit but is terrible about bragging about it) then the hollow GOP message wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Democratic strategists believe your sentiment is the only one and it's why they keep fucking losing to deplorable candidates.
The vast majority of those deplorable candidates are still losing and Democrats are still pushing forward, albeit PAINFULLY slowly, with a productive agenda. The red wave never happened, and despite the absolutely horrible examples that slipped through like MTG, Republicans are generally NOT winning. All of that goes to hell if we let the ONE apparently "charismatic" one take control again.
You're right about Starmer. And the people who deeply care in the UK should be working towards building up a viable alternative right now. How many progressive candidates were you helping build a support base for in 2021? How much were you donating to their campaign funds? How much were you canvassing and campaigning and getting names out there?
Right wing extremists do not actually care what Democrats do. If Joe Biden decided to throw out all the immigrants, give everybody assault rifles, and outlaw abortion, and publicly send out bibles, they STILL wouldn't be on his side, and in fact they may actually entirely flip ideology just to be contradictory. Because Republican supporters, no matter what they say, it isn't about POLICY for them. It's about POWER, and you are not going to take away their pursuit of it through more action on EITHER end of the spectrum.
This whole argument reeks like parents who scream at their children when they spill water because "It's the only way they'll learn." The children already know they weren't supposed to spill that water, and Democrats already know their choices aren't God's gift to progressivism. So like that parent, all you're accomplishing is giving everyone the promise of years of trauma followed by decades of therapy IF they're lucky enough to make it out on the other side, all so you can feel like you made your position on the spilling of water perfectly clear. I'm sorry, but I don't find that compelling or reasonable.
I will give you this... I appreciate your HAVING and SPEAKING your opinion, as much as I think it's nonsense, as opposed to the anonymous downvoting cowards.
I also fucking appreciate real conversations on the internet. I think what we're talking about isn't actually that different... my main fear is that underwhelming neoliberalism ends up crushing people so much that fascism emerges as the only other option. Corporate bullshit is extremely dangerous and, up here in Canada, underwhelming Liberal policies in the past year are making it likely that our next prime minister will be a transphobic asshole. It is a frustrating situation to be in because there are real policy decisions we could have made to actually improve living conditions and voter representation and our government just refused to do so... in this coming election our two likely choices are to keep the shitty government in power or switch to the fucking assholes. I prefer the shitty government of course - but this game doesn't end until the assholes win and each election is more desperate because the Liberals continue to underdeliver.
Anyways yea, I absolutely loathe getting downvoted to oblivion with no conversation and I'm happy to have one with you!
I may disagree with the main thrust of your argument, but I respect that there's some truth to it, even if in my cynicism I think it's ideologically unrealistic to expect better, and do agree that it's a massive disappointment that we can't get more progress.
Edit: But on the flip side, it is POSSIBLE this isn't some crappy alternative - this just might be the best we can do. I would like to believe there's huge support for progressive action that would help people, but I'd also like to believe 50% of my country isn't Nazis, and that's also incorrect. If the realistic option is small, frustratingly tiny steps towards positive change, I'll choose that every time.