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[-] foreverandaday@lemmy.ml 126 points 1 year ago

capitalism can't solve climate change :(

[-] quantum_mechanic@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Nope, especially since it's the biggest contributor to it.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What a vague and silly comment, half the world's top contributors to greenhouse gasses aren't even capitalist countries. I get the fediverse isn't a fan of capitalism, but you can't just blanketly blame everything on it.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

The US military is the single largest polluter organisation on the planet - do tell me how we can't blame capitalism again?

And just for your information - that other gigantic capitalist country you falsely believe isn't capitalist? Guess what? It's capitalist.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

China is the number one greenhouse gas contributor, Russia is near the top of the list as well. Fuck off tankies.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

If you think those 2 are communist countries, you're stuck in the last century. Let me give you some news. The Soviet Union collapsed and gave way to a capitalist oligarchy. China realized that capitalism is profitable and brings them tons of money from the west. I have no idea why tankies still simp those countries as communist (wait, I do actually - because tankies never had any principles of their own, they just wanted to be anti-west).

There is one country that needs to kickstart change for it to have any effect, it's the US. Not only does it pollute the most per capita, it's a huge market. My tiny ass country with fuel prices already being twice as much in the US, can raise fuel prices even more, but that won't affect global demand. Americans no longer getting fuel for essentially free, would actually affect global demand.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, of course, because political systems are binary and there's only capitalism and communism lmao

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

There's plenty of systems that mix both, but Russia and China aren't actually good examples. They're pretty capitalist.

If you want a better example of mixing capitalism with socialism, you can take a look at something like the Nordic countries, where there are tons of social services and safety nets, but there's still a very strong (just regulated) free market.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

There’s plenty of systems that mix both, but Russia and China aren’t actually good examples. They’re pretty capitalist.

State companies and state-connected companies own more than half of each one's economy. More than in Nordic countries.

[-] agarorn@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Do you belive that in a communist country everything is owned by the state? If so, I urge you to look up communism again.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

In really existent ones - yes.

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[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Because capitalism with state protection is not capitalism I guess.

In each, we're talking about capitalism with the caveat that the owners of the country want a kickback too, and in return local capitalists are protected from foreign capitalists. Vladimir Putin owns Russia, the CCP owns China. In neither case does capital belong to "the people" as a whole.

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[-] FluffyPotato@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Those 2 are literally capitalist countries. Also tankies are the ones who commonly say China is not capitalist.

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

China is the number one

Sooo... a capitalist state?

Russia is near the top

Sooo... another capitalist state?

Fuck off tankies.

You don't know what a tankie is, do you?

I knew it was a bad day when we allowed liberals access to that word.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Oh gross, you're one of those

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You walked blindly into this argument with absolutely zero understanding of the subject matter at hand, didn't you?

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[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Do you think a tankie would say China is a capitalist nation? Liberalism really is worse than brain cancer. They are either an anarchist or some other shit, you just see the names of the enemies of the empire and scream, you poor ignorant Gringo.

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[-] bear@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just wanna know what exactly you think a tankie is

[-] RogueTyre@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

You don't trash China at every opportunity unprovoked? Damn tankies!

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Also, non-capitalist countries tend to be low emitters because they are failed countries whose people live in miserable poverty.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Also, non-capitalist countries

What non-capitalist countries?

[-] Robbeee@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Cubas pretty green for what its worth.

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

The US military is the world's largest socialist organization. Universal health care, pensions, free college and job training, free housing...

[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

The US military is the world’s largest socialist organization.

Oh, do please explain to us how worker ownership of the means of production works in the US military.

Wait, don't answer yet... I quickly have to get some popcorn. This is going to be good.

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[-] agarorn@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Was isn't a capitalistic country? North Korea?

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Just as there are hordes of idiots on the right who call anything they don't like "socialism", there are a few idiots - primarily teenagers - on the left who call anything they don't like "capitalism".

After the supreme court invalidated Roe v Wade, I attended a rally. I walked away when one of the speakers started shouting "We know what the real problem is...capitalism!" and all the university kids started cheering.

I love the enthusiasm and your heart's in the right place but y'all are dumber than a bag of bowling balls.

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