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Biblical plothole? (Adam and Eve v. Good and Evil) (self.atheism)
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Refrigerator logic, or a shower thought:

According to Genesis, God forbids Adam and Eve from eating fruit of the tree of wisdom, specifically of knowledge of good and evil.

Serpent talks to Eve, calling out God's lie: God said they will die from eating the fruit (as in die quickly, as if the fruit were poisonous). They won't die from the fruit, Serpent tells them. Instead, their eyes will open and they will understand good and evil.

And Adam and Eve eat of the fruit of the tree of wisdom, learning good and evil (right and wrong, or social mores). And then God evicts them from paradise for disobedience.

But if the eating the fruit of the tree of wisdom gave Adam and Eve the knowledge of good and evil, this belies they did not know good and evil in the first place. They couldn't know what forbidden means, or that eating from the tree was wrong. They were incapable of obedience.

Adam and Eve were too unintelligent (immature? unwise?) to understand, much like telling a toddler not to eat cookies from the cookie jar on the counter.

Putting the tree unguarded and easily accessible in the Garden of Eden was totally a setup

Am I reading this right?

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

it's also important to note that Gen 1 was pretty much intended as propaganda. it was riffing off other mythologies; except trying to one up them. "OUR god is so STRONG that he created the world ALONE. In SIX DAYS. and he NAPPED on the SEVENTH!!!"

It gave justification for a few of the earlier genocides, because their god was stronger than the other peoples, so it's all cool.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Which is interesting, because the very first line... Gods is plural. That carried over into Latin, then was singularized after that.

Which makes sense if you consider the commandments:

Exodus 20:2-3

 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me."

It's acknowledging the existence of other Gods, but I am YOUR God.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Oh. That’s another thing.

The exodus didn’t happen. Or, rather, the Israelites were always there. What most scholars think is that refugees came up from Egypt and their story was adopted as they assimilated into the broader culture .

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yup, yup. There's no evidence the Jews were enslaved in Egypt and the Sunday school stories about slave labor for the pyramids is equally nonsense.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/who-built-the-egyptian-pyramids-not-slaves

https://historum.com/t/egypt-knew-no-moses-evidence-on-why-exodus-never-happened.194987/

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

these days my favorite sunday school lessons include cute, featherless dinosaurs.

i know. I know. but who doesn't want to live in a world with cute featherless dinos?

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

to be fair, I did specific "featherless".

(also, that video now just made the rounds to all three other people working in my office.... Eh. it's friday. we mostly bullshit and wait for something to go wrong.)

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I get it, but the idea of a pack of raptors singing "Let the bodies hit the floor" made me giggle.

[-] uriel238 2 points 1 month ago

Monotheism (as opposed to monolatrism) is a much more recent thing than the scripture itself, an invention of the middle ages at earliest.

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