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submitted 3 weeks ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Everyone knows that electric vehicles are supposed to be better for the planet than gas cars. That's the driving reason behind a global effort to transition toward batteries.

But what about the harms caused by mining for battery minerals? And coal-fired power plants for the electricity to charge the cars? And battery waste? Is it really true that EVs are better?

The answer is yes. But Americans are growing less convinced.

The net benefits of EVs have been frequently fact-checked, including by NPR. "No technology is perfect, but the electric vehicles are going to offer a significant benefit as compared to the internal combustion engine vehicles," Jessika Trancik, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told NPR this spring.

It's important to ask these questions about EVs' hidden costs, Trancik says. But they have been answered "exhaustively"


her word


and a widerange of organizations have confirmed that EVs still beat gas.

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[-] Zaderade@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

So, just so you know, the average EV battery weighs 1000lbs, and some all the way up to 2000lbs in something like the EV hummer. (Unnecessary I know). The cost to have a battery in an EV replaced currently sits around $5000 to $15000 off of warranty. So there are definitely obstacles. Along with letting the general public fry themselves trying to hook up a 400v battery. You're not dealing with AA batteries. Battery technology is far away from something able to swap out yourself with the ease you may be thinking of.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So, just so you know, you can purchase 96V batteries that weigh less than 30 kg and can be connected in series to provide well over 400V, and if you want more range you can install bigger ones. EV ones weight that much because of the range, which is less of a factor if they can be swapped. They are made up of cells which are individually far below 400v, and there are standardized Anderson connectors that can safely connect and disconnect +600V and are used all the time. The cost of a battery is a non-factor is you are just renting them like you are sort of expected to do with butane tanks. 50V is the limit where you usually begin receiving a shock at, but 400V is not really considered high voltage and can be easily handled with the proper connectors and failsafes, like not swapping with a load.

It's better than letting the general public fry themselves trying to fuel their cars with an ignitable combustible.You are not dealing with rubbing alcohol. /wildscaremongering

Battery technology is something I'm constantly swapping out for myself with ease, but that's because I don't make my own mental blocks. So do owners who retrofit gas cars to EVs. My goal is to retrofit an older EV car so that I don't have to pay around $5000 to $15000 of overpriced proprietary batteries. It is a long-term goal, but be happy, it is not one that could be shared because the only way to do so would be in a society open to it.

[-] Zaderade@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Please let me know how that goes for you and when I can purchase one that allows me to travel 500 kilometres in -25°C without disabling the vehicle mid trip in that mentioned temperature.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

You mean for your highly specialized need that the majority of potential EV drivers currently turned off by the step costs don't need? Sure, let me just make a note, since the solution is scalable, even working in the energy demand of a heater.

[-] Zaderade@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Ah yes, I am the only person on the planet who has a need to travel occasionally to a larger city during a normal winter. Got it!

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nice straw man, and a powerfully ignorant one too, given how many EVs it would ignore the existence of simply because they would not fulfill your criteria.

Oh, and I was kidding, no way in hell would I ever give such an antagonist such a leg up, pearls before swine and all, you've made your choice and the industry is quite happy to cater to it.

[-] Zaderade@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

"powerfully ignorant" oh the irony.

EV's are great to bomb around Cali and similar cities. Practicality drops off substantially in rural settings, and to zero when the temperatures drop well below freezing.

Your fun little idea might gain some traction if you stop being a prick when presented with challenges.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The irony being that I actually face my challenges and you see insurmountable obstacles where there are none in defense of the worst aspects of the industry. But at least you are making your position much more evident, you just want to discourage EVs as a niche product that only works in urban environments that doesn't work in rural or when the temperatures drop below freezing, and seem to be quite hostile to premises that could easily change and disprove that notion. Why, ego or something else, I wonder.

Don't worry, my idea clearly isn't meant for people like you, so don't worry your pretty little head off.

[-] Zaderade@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

The irony being that there are obvious challenges to EV becoming mainstream for the average person, and you choose to say there are no challenges. You are willingly ignorant to them.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

You are the one discarding solutions to challenges, I'm just saying those challenges are not insurmountable obstacles. Reading is hard.

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