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Green Party candidate Jill Stein is gaining ground among Muslim-American voters in three critical swing states: Michigan, Arizona, and Wisconsin, according to a recent poll by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

Stein leads Vice President and Democrat candidate Kamala Harris in these states, with 40 per cent support in Michigan, 35 per cent in Arizona, and 44 per cent in Wisconsin. This surge in popularity appears tied to Stein’s vocal criticism of US support for Israel during the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

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[-] BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ok dude, if you define a liberal as someone that is voting for a dem instead of bending over for the immediate threat of literal fascism… you got me

As far as Israel’s founding, yeah fine I’m not that old afaic the world fucked up by letting Israel happen but once they’re all there what now?

I mean, I think religion is stupid but they’re still people, none of them should be subject to genocide and neither side is ever going to stop fighting because religion.

So my question is how does voting for Jill stein make any of that better?

What do you think a relationship between Trump 2.0 and Netanyahu looks like? You care about Palestinians and you want to risk a second Trump term?

Come on dude

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 days ago

I mean, I think religion is stupid but they’re still people, none of them should be subject to genocide and neither side is ever going to stop fighting because religion.

If this is your analysis of why the Israeli State is commiting genocide via settler-colonialism and why Palestinians are fighting against it, legitimately believing religion to be the driving factor, you were never doing any kind of Materialist analysis and thus at minimum reject the core of Marxism.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

As far as Israel’s founding, yeah fine I’m not that old afaic the world fucked up by letting Israel happen but once they’re all there what now?

Well, there is (or was) continuous immigration to Israel from various other (almost exclusively white) countries as part of the project of continuous growth to settle new territory. A lot of them can just go back to their home country and a number already have on at least a temporary basis because of the war.

For the sake of argument we can say there are recent settlers who really cannot go back, and for them the answer is to rehouse them, since obviously no one here wants genocide, that's just a Zionist myth.

But it should be the duty of the founders and masters of Israel, those being the US and UK, to rehouse Israelis in their borders. The same should go for other major sponsors of the Zionist project, like Canada, Australia, and of course Germany. All of these countries (especially America) can afford to do so.

That wouldn't eliminate the Jewish population, but the goal has never been to eliminate the Jewish population.

I mean, I think religion is stupid but

They're much more of an ethnostate than a theocracy, though they have features of both

neither side is ever going to stop fighting because religion.

You are severely misunderstanding the lines of the conflict, but you're misunderstanding them in exactly the way you were told to by the neoliberal media trying to both sides a conflict that was always, always a settler-colonial state trying to exterminate and replace the indigenous Palestinian population. The Palestinians are not fighting to exterminate Jews, they are fighting to destroy the settler-colony that ousted them from most of their land. There's no shortage of evidence of Palestinian society being basically pluralist, allowing Christian churches to stand for centuries (until Israel bombed them) and taking care of Jewish graveyards and so on.

It is not a religious war, it's a colonialist war.

What do you think a relationship between Trump 2.0 and Netanyahu looks like? You care about Palestinians and you want to risk a second Trump term?

I think Biden was already fully supporting Bibi. Trump can't "fully support him but even more now".

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