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Unsealed FBI doc exposes terrifying depth of Russian disinfo scheme
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The point is all I'm doing is swapping the word Russia for Israel. All the same laws apply.
But you're assuming that the Israeli government has some connection to AIPAC, it doesn't. Sure some Americans could start a homegrown fully American Pro-Russia PAC, just like AIPAC, and that would be completely legal, but that's not what happened here.
If a homegrown fully American Pro-Russia PAC was started, how could we be sure there was no Russian government involvement? Donations are opaque.
The same way we prosecute all other breakings of FARA such as this one and all others, the donations aren't so opaque that the DOJ/FBI can't investigate it and figure out what's happening, just as they did here.
Do you think they walk around with millions of cash in bags with dollar signs on them??? How do you think money moves around or these orgs are audited?
If you don't understand a topic, it's OK. Say "I will do some research".
I don't argue with people about quantum string theory because I don't understand it. It's OK. Just take some time. All the information is out there. It's not as complicated as string theory, but if you put some time and heart into it you can get to the bottom of this conundrum.
Let's try a simple experiment.
Show me a breakdown of AIPACs sources of funds and spending. It doesn't to be a nicely presented infographic (although it should). Just link me to the data.
I don't understand the hubris in online discussions. Do you see me going around debating string theory with anyone? It's Ok to say 'I don't know'. The world would be so much better if we all just were a bit more honest. No one will think less of you. In fact, they'll respect you more.
It's not on us to hold your hand each step of the way to explain how finance regulation works or how difficult it is to move the large sums of money we are talking about. You made the claim AIPAC is circumventing FARA and that anyone can set up a lobby group tied to foreign funds easy like opening up a PayPal account. This betrays total ignorance of how much you understand about finance regulation. In order to even start a conversation we have to unpack all of FARA and everything else tied to finance regulation. I'm not obbligated to 'show you the sources' of AIPAC funds because you don't even understand the foundations of what we're talking about. So pump the breaks big guy.
We are not here to hold your wee wee every time you need to pee, but here you are, pissing in the pool so we have to put up with conspiracy theories day in and out.
A lot of words just to say that we don't know anything about AIPACs finances.
Russia just needs to copy the Israeli lobbying model.
YOU made the claim. Show us the evidence (you won't) that AIPAC circumvented FARA.
Either:
Which is it?
No. I stated that Russia can follow the AIPAC model, set up ARPAC, funnel money to some American donors and influence the election perfectly legally.
You're not tracking the convo.
Its the "funneling money" part you're not getting. They can't just PayPal it to their buddy.
I'm a US citizen living abroad. If I have over 10k in my account it triggers my bank to notify FBAR and they have to report it to the IRS - and that's not even an America bank!
At this point we're looping.
Overpay for services. Pay for non existing services. Use intermediaries. There are many, many laundering techniques and Russians are not stupid.
The point is that the shady thing happen at the donor level. The PAC stays clean and above board, and it's financial practices remain opaque.
Yes. You're right. If only we didn't think of that! Damn. Thank you Knock knock. I will pass the info along to AIPAC. Thank you.