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Stance on conflict
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Lemmy: bOth PArTiES ARE zIoniSt gEnociDERS!
To hear the tankies on Lemmy:
OnLy DEmoCraTs aRe ZiOnisT GeNOCiderS! VotE fOr RepUBLicaNs!
Can you give me an example of this? It’s so ubiquitous it can be generalized, so surely it will be easy!
It's in nearly every single thread they are present in. They constantly attack Harris, and never mention Trump's stance.
And yet you don't show any examples for your bizarre claim. I swear y'all have more issues with the left than with fascists.
The reason many leftists don't mention Trump is because there's already consensus that he's an awful person and a wannabe fascist dictator.
The amount of intellectual dishonesty I hear out of tankies is insane. The second you call them out, they ban you and delete your comments.
What leftist has suggested voting for Trump? Ever?
Literally anyone holding Harris's feet to the fire right now of all moments, when the outcome of the election depends on it. You win the election first, you moderate your demands until then, and then you raise the volume on your calls for change.
Because only one of those two candidates has quite literally suggested arresting and deporting ALL protesters. Undermining the only person who can prevent him from getting to the office that would enable that shit is just as bad if not worse than actually just quietly voting for him.
So the answer is nobody, nobody has suggested voting for Trump, and you want people to hold their tongues about ongoing genocide.
"if you don't vote for the good genocider, the bad genocider will get into office. And he is RUDE!"
Jesus, I've had this argument recently. Pointless, they are just on some crusade.
All these people are convinced that Trump would be worse for Palestinians.
And maybe they're right, maybe Trump will send in straight up death squads. Maybe he'll build vans that pipe the exhaust into the cargo area and ship them to tel Aviv. Maybe he'll start sending the Israelis Zyclon b.
But the fact remains. The last year has been the most deadly for Palestinians. Ever. More Palestinians have been killed in the last year than died during the formation of the state of Israel. More Palestinians have had their homes destroyed in the last year, then ever before in modern history.
At this point, saying Trump would be worse for Palestine is like saying that Himmler would have been worse for the Jews. Possibly technically correct, but also a poor attempted genocide denial.
Trump feels the only thing Israel is doing wrong is not killing Palestinians fast enough.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
Worse, if Trump wins, he will bring the worst Israeli policies to the United States.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-does-not-rule-out-building-detention-camps-mass-deportations-2024-04-30/
https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2022/07/trump-endorsed-plan-purge-civil-service-rogue-bureaucrats/375028/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/kash-patel-trump-administration/index.html
To be clear here, if Harris does not win, Trump will. Those are your two choices. You can choose to vote for Harris or you court disaster. There is no viable 3rd choice.
you realize trump genuinely considered using a nuclear bomb during his office term right?
What do you mean "he might be worse"
also i feel like there was probably at least one famine that killed significantly more people at one point in history.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-816355
just wait til you see what trump does.
So we agree: both sides of this election support the ongoing genocide being committed by Israel.
do you want more genocide or less genocide?
Inb4 "I wAnT nO gEnOcIdE" like it's some kind of clever gotcha response that shows anything but their whole white bougie kid politics having ass.
I want you to stop pretending that she'll do anything to even slow it down. I encourage you to vote for her and Walz because it serves our country better than Trump and the couch fucker, but admit that the two parties' positions on Palestine are materially the same. We can't change anything until we acknowledge the problem.
Seems like the genocide is already accelerating, so this is also a false choice. Either way it will be more.
I'm not saying "don't vote for Harris" nor am I saying "don't vote at all". I support Harris, but pretending she doesn't support Israel's genocide or she'll somehow slow it down is just ignorant of reality.
We are watching the destruction of the Palestinian people in real time and the people able to stop it are entirely unwilling to care.
you are completely ignoring Trump's track record vis a vis Israel and Palestine. He has been much more fanatical in his support of Israel than any other president, even other republican presidents. For example:
I want zero genocide
The Democrats want genocide
The Republicans want genocide
I want zero genocide
me too, but that's not an option.
so, are you going to vote for more genocide, or less genocide?
Let's put this in perspective. bibi and Isreal is committing Genocide. Genocide has happened and is still happening. Americans have provided weapons of war and continue to provide weapons of war to Isreal as they have all their allies. The only thing America has failed to do is pressure bibi to stop. Do they have that power? I wouldn't know. Some people claim to know.
In 2024 we aren't voting for genocide. We are voting for candidates all claiming to know the exact right thing to do on this particular issue. Will any of this result in turning back the clock on what's been done? No. Should the united states president be able to midgate the continued conflict? Possibly.
I'm going to remind everyone again. America is not the world police. You don't want them as the world police. You can continue your campaign against the democrats all you want but please. I beg you. Look at who your allies are in that fight. bibi himself would cum his pants to see the orange dictator take office.
Why?
because our two party and single choice voting systems suck. But it's the world we live in and we have to do the best we can with it.
so if your only two options are more genocide or less genocide, which are you going to choose? And if your answer is "none of the above" remember that effectively counts as a half vote for more genocide.
Okay but it doesn't seem like that's a viable option right now
which side is against it?
At this point, saying Trump would be worse for Palestine is like saying that Himmler would have been worse for the Jews. Possibly technically correct, but also a poor attempted genocide denial.
More have died and more have been made refugees, in the last year; than during the Nakba. This has been the deadliest year for Palestinians, by an order of magnatude, in modern history.
So take your "Trump would be worse" bullshit. Wrap it in sandpaper. And shove it up your ass.
What send more?
the guy who:
yeah, more.
So just like what is happening now.
Again how can it get worse for those in Gaza?
If you genuinely don't think a Trump Presidency could make the situation any worse, you have no right to talk over anyone who's actually been paying the miniscule-est amount of attention it would take to know better.
Signed, a Palestinian American.
Fuck your privileged ass trying to justify letting us burn.
Try me. How does it get worse than famine, constant bombings, plague, and now polio.
Ignoring what's happening now doesn't help anything.
America joining in because Trump doesn't think the jews are finishing the job fast enough?
West Bank being fully annexed and the 200,000 Palestinians who've been able to hold on thus far being deported to Gaza for more bombings or to Jordan where the royal family was already selling them out even before a civil war broke out over it leading to the king's assassination?
Trump intentionally provoking war in the entire region because his followers are part of a fucking death cult and think it'll cause the biblical battle of Armageddon and make their sky daddy come home?
Evangelicals convincing Trump to begin a program to settle christians in the region to refound the crusader kingdom of Jerusalem?
Have you fucking read any of Project 2025, use your damn imagination and odds are they've already come up with even worse and adopted it as official platform policy.
Get off your soapbox and prevent the greater harm, or quit pretending you have any business calling yourself an ally while being a whiny wilted little cunt ass about how it's everyone else's job to make you want to for your own feel goods.
you don't have to ignore what's happening now to imagine many ways it could get worse.
ever heard of things like concentration camps and mass executions?
That is what's happening there...
this isn't complicated. more of literally everything.
What's worse than a genocide we're allowing to happen...
you are either supremely naive or a blatant trump shill. Israel still has many cards left to play in the genocide deck like cultural reprogramming, concentration camps, and mass executions.
You have the right to ask how things get better for Palestinians if Harris takes office. While you're at it please take time to ask how do things get better for Americans if trump takes office. The US president doesn't just set the tone for Palestine. They have influence all over the world.
If Harris wins and the day after the election Isreal signs a treaty won't you just think for a second what that means
Edit: at the very least acknowledge bibi would like nothing more then to see donald trump in the white house, coward.
BUT WHAT ABOUT
The top level comment this is all from is
None of your argument is refuting that.
Then again not expecting much in a meme community*****___*