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Wisconsin judge sides with 11-year-old trans girl over her right to use school toilets
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As a father of two elementary school aged girls, I can tell you that they don't give a shit. They would rather be supportive of their friend. People who insist on perpetuating outdated concepts of gender roles and modesty are on the wrong side of history.
It is good your daughter's are good with this. Would be nice if everyone was. But do you think all the girls or even the majority are comfortable that need to use same bathroom if they know someone might be biological male?
When I'm using the restroom, the last thing I care about is which genitals the person in the other stall has. Why would this be a concern?
Honest question, if this is the take why do transgender people need to use the opposite sex bathroom? Why does it matter?
I'm not transgender, so you probably should ask them.
What I do know is that this is a major issue for them, to the point where some of them develop bladder issues from avoiding the restroom out of fear of being bullied. When people tell me that something is causing them to suffer, I tend to believe them, unless there's some compelling evidence otherwise.
When I was in college, I knew a transman. One day, I walked into the men's restroom as he was walking out, and one of the other men in the restroom turned to his friend and said, "What's she doing in here?" (Meaning the transman.) Now imagine if you had to deal with the possibility of being bullied that way (or worse!) every time you wanted to use the restroom.
Preface: am not trans, but have thought about and read many things from transppl about everything going on in their heads bc its still sth i struggle with
This will also vary based on the individual, and there's probably at least one transperson out there that doesn't care. But for those that do, I'd think it comes down to it being one more aspect where they're put into a box they really don't feel like they belong in. Something that on its own would likely not be a big deal, but if you're already trying to 1) get away from everything your birth sex has confined you to and 2) try to feel as close to your actual gender as possible in every day life, it can make a difference.
Really I'm just confused why bathrooms are gender seperated in the first place though, we have stalls for a reason?
Yes. The concerns of transphobes (and other bigots) should be ignored.
Do you understand the definition of the word? If you have an aversion to sharing a space with trans people, then you're a transphobe.
How are things on Ferenginar this time of year?
I can't imagine that most women would feel more comfortable having a big bearded man in the bathroom who was born female than they would a prototypically feminine woman that was born male.
I suspect most people that feel this way are unaware of how well most trans people pass.
Why is it that every time I hear this conversation people on your side are only talking about MtF people and acting like FtM isn't common? I suspect it's because the existence of FtM people nullifies your argument and you know it.
I say this as a cis man, so I'm not claiming to speak for either group. Just applying basic logic and making a guess about the kind of people that would feel threatened.
Edit: I know I'm coming off aggressive, I truly believe everything I'm saying to my core, and don't, on any level, understand why everyone doesn't. If you actually have a counter to this argument, I would be curious to hear it.
If you oppose the rights of trans people to use the bathroom, then you are transphobic.
I don't think they're in opposition to the rights of trans people to use the bathroom. Way to shift the argument. congrats.
read the post title again. you're on lemmy, you have no excuse to lose context like you were a bigoted version of ai dungeon.
I followed the context of the conversation accurately. Have you?
I think not...
the entire context of the conversation has been about bathrooms. your reading comprehension is either terrible and you're lashing out, or you're lying. take your pick.
You think I didn't follow that this conversation is about bathrooms?
Some people have a problem with using the same bathroom a black person uses. Should we care?
Yes, we should ignore them. Just like we ignore homophobes that have a problem sharing with gays, or racists that have a problem sharing with back people.
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I am speaking anecdotally, but in my daily interactions at my kids daycamp, my kids views are pretty much on par with the rest of their peers. There's a boy at their daycamp who likes to wear dresses. He's treated no differently than any of the other kids. They have unisex bathrooms because the ratio of girls to boys is out of whack, so it makes more sense.
My point is that kids today don't care. They don't have the same hangups that we were raised with. And why should they?
My boys (19 and 16) are the same way. If "John" comes out to them and says that they prefer being called "Jane," my boys immediately accept it completely and start calling her with the correct name and pronouns.
My boys regard trans (or any other facet of LGBTQ) as the same level of information regarding a person as "they have black hair" or "they have blue eyes." It's a basic fact about them, but not a reason to judge the person.
Now, if the person acts like a jerk, then my boys will definitely judge them.
Is actually love to see a survey of different age groups and see how much they care about this, but this sort of feedback is neither constructive nor useful.