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You modify a 'never' with a comma and a 'but'. So, not 'never'.
"They kissed in a non-innocent way and I had to assault them."
Hmm, that sounds like bullshit to me.
First of all, the word "but" doesn't negate the statement in the first half of the sentence. "I wanted ice cream, but I ate a donut instead" doesn't mean I never wanted ice cream. The but, in this case was meant to indicate that, while I am on their side in regard to the violence that occurred becuase it was unjustifiable regardless of what started the interaction, I would not be surprised to find put that he downplayed that detail and the employee may have been justified in asking them to stop. Him downplaying that detail, and/or the employee being justified in asking them to stop does not, in an way shape for form, excuse, defend, or approve the violence that followed. That was the exact reason I prefaced that statement with the fact that the physical violence wasn't acceptable here.
People like big buts.
It's 'unjustifiable'. So why link that to assuming the victim was obfuscating the truth? In the same sentence, you are absolving the victim of blame while also claiming that they lied.
Because I was prefacing my statement in an attempt to ward off misunderstandings about whose side I was on. I underestimated the degree to which people lack a sense of nuance apparently, though
What 'nuance' is there about speculating that two assaulted gay people were kissing harder than they described?
As you yourself say, it does not have any bearing on the violence done to them being acceptable. So why link those two things together with a comma but?
That it's possible it's less to do with them being gay and more to do with them potentially making out heavily and making the workers uncomfortable, which is possible if they were a straight couple too instead.
Not condoning the violence in the slightest
this assumes the couple was lying in their account, for which there is no evidence. this is little more than victim-blaming, and using a falsehood to justify bigotry and violence.
I don't know what happened, I just understand what the person's point was in bringing it up and can also understand that they're not condoning or justifying the violence that occurred at all.
the point was, very obviously, to use a lie about the victims to justify the bigotry and violence against them-- over and over, and that's exactly what they've done.
and you're defending using a lie to justify the bigotry and violence they faced.
That's absolutely not at all what they were saying, idk if you're reading a different comment or something.
i'm not to blame for the terrible things they said and you endorsed-- and the evidence for it is here for all to see (and downvote, and mods to remove)
don't say such despicable things if you can't face the consequences.
I hope one day you see how crazy this sounds, if it's not intentional.
i've been calling out these crazy comments for hours
i'm not to blame for what others say here.
You are to blame for your own comments, and you come across as unhinged. You act like you're some great crusader for truth, yet you make just as many accusations with just as little evidence as the person you're calling out- but they at least had the self awareness to say "I could be wrong..."
You get attacked on your commute.
I say: "It's terrible you were dragged out of your car and hit, that's not acceptable!"
I then add: "You probably were driving badly, though, which pissed people off."
The second sentence modified the first, yes?
Yeah it does of course, however wanting to know the facts of the situation isn't the same as making an excuse for the behavior exhibited.
You're right, just ignore them.