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submitted 3 months ago by whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml

Is this for real? I can't draw no other conclusion than US defaultism in trans activism gives a free pass to TERF politics in Europe. This kind of news from Germany cannot mean anything good.

According to Wikipedia:

In 2019, the German Language Association VDS (Verein Deutsche Sprache; not to be confused with the Association for the German Language Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache, GfdS) launched a petition against the use of the gender star, saying it was a "destructive intrusion" into the German language and created "ridiculous linguistic structures". It was signed by over 100 writers and scholars.[11] Luise F. Pusch, a German feminist linguist, criticises the gender star as it still makes women the 'second choice' by the use of the feminine suffix.[12] In 2020, the Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache declared Gendersternchen to be one of the 10 German Words of the Year.[13]

In 2023, the state of Saxony banned the use of gender stars and gender gaps in schools and education, which marks students' use of the gender stars as incorrect.[14][15] In March 2024, Bavaria banned gender-neutral language in schools, universities and several other public authorities.[16][17] In April 2024, Hesse banned the use of gender neutral language, including gender stars, in administrative language.[18]

Here are the original Wikipedia references

  1. "Der Aufruf und seine Erstunterzeichner". Verein Deutsche Sprache (in German). 6 March 2019. Retrieved 5 April 2020.
  2. Schlüter, Nadja (22 April 2019). ""Das Gendersternchen ist nicht die richtige Lösung"". Jetzt.de (in German). Retrieved 5 April 2020. "GfdS Wort des Jahres" (in German). Retrieved 13 December 2020.
  3. Jones, Sam; Willsher, Kim; Oltermann, Philip; Giuffrida, Angela (2023-11-04). "What's in a word? How less-gendered language is faring across Europe". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2024-04-05.
  4. "Schools in Saxony are forbidden to use gender language". cne.news. Retrieved 2024-04-05.

I got into this rabbit hole from this news article

News article in German

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[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Same in Italian.

Italian is heavily gendered, even inanimate objects have genders. A chair? It's a female. A door? It's a male.

It's not easy to modify a language; some people on the internet are trying using stars and other non-letters, but the result is ridiculous and nobody actually speaks like that in real life.

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

In Dutch a door is female. Chair? Male.

[-] SteveXVII@pawb.social 2 points 2 months ago

Luckily it is almost completely irrelevant in Dutch whether a word is male of female. Heck, I am Dutch an I wouldn't be able to tell male and female words apart most of the time.

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I speak Flemish and when I speak dialect it's pretty easy. When I say 'ne stoel' it's masculin. 'Ne deur' doesn't work so is femine.

[-] SteveXVII@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

Interesting, in the Netherlands we mostly avoid having to gender anything but humans.

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

''De deur staat open. Doe je haar even dicht?''

I mean, you can't go without gendering if the language is like that.

[-] SteveXVII@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

Unless you say 'De deur staat open, doe je die even dicht?' It avoids having to learn those stupid genders.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 1 points 2 months ago

So similar yet so different :)

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