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Not a smart move, but don’t fuck with people. Those teens need to be locked up.
yes. they should be tried for beating the man and looting his car.
whole situation was avoidable. who chases down a gang of hyped up teenagers over littering? one of the kids threw a bottle and now this guy has injuries, severe property damage and a bunch of his possessions stolen. he chose to escalate the situation. don’t escalate. move on with your life. especially if you have all your belongings in your car because you’re moving.
There will be no justice. We all need to buy guns.
That's not true, there are plenty of people who if they just fuckin' keeled over the world would be a better place.
That being said I don't think shooting into a crowd of teenagers is the solution, though if I was being beaten by a crowd of them I might change my mind. Call me violent but IMO if it came between me and a crowd of fucking cishets, I know my choice.
Either way the guys a nuclear dofus for leaving his car. I mean what are you going to do, fucking scold them?
So if it was a bunch of transhoms you would be ok?
I don't think most people would sit around and accept being beaten by a crowd of randos was my point.
Like you can commit to an act of self preservation while understanding you're not some paragon of justice, rather another animal that got backed into a corner. Whether or not self defence is the moral choice, I think its probably the most human one. I don't think we can fault people for making that choice.
That also doesn't mean you have to be some bloodthirsty weirdo who jerks off to r/justiceporn to see that nuance.
Yeah I was pointing more towards the fact that someone’s gender or sexuality should not determine whether you are going run them over.
I thought I made that clear with the transhom thing.
My point was to drive home for a predominantly leftist and queer-friendly fediverse, that if put in the same situation, they would probably be doing the same shit. As a trans woman myself, I can tell you that the fear of being hate crimed by a cis straight dude is very real. It is much more likely that we'd be victimized by cis dudes, than other trans folk, or even cis women for that matter.
By framing it from a familiar prospective, it makes it easier to see the point of view of those we might not agree with. That's why I used that specific example.
🤷♂️ I guess that’s the conclusion I have when people bothsides this kinda bullshit.
Opinions are like assholes.
Something, something break a few eggs, something, omelette.
I mean yeah but like because of the crazy shit the heritage foundation is saying, not because of random teenagers.
Either way, that dipshit escalated the situation himself, but if he didn't I don't know that I'd call shooting into an angry mob that's trying to beat your ass "justice." Justified maybe, but not justice. That feels like fuel for those weird dudes who jerk off to r/justiceporn.
He got out to yell at some vandals and he got beat. If he could protect himself, the right people would have been punished. The man had his entire life in that car, he was probably not in the best place mentally. Why was that his life? What about him? You seem to be siding with the criminals because the victim wanted to stop a crime.
I'm not saying they where right for beating him, I'm saying getting out of your car and escalating things isn't helping anything.
If a mob comes to beat your ass, potentially to death, and you shoot someone to prevent it, yeah that's justified (and probably should be legally), but it isn't justice. You don't get to be fucking Judge Dredd, and act like self-defense puts you on some moral high-ground. You are not a stand-in for the legal system, which in and of itself is already incredibly flawed.
If you left your car and started shouting at them like a fuckwit before doing so, you might not deserve the beat down but you did kind of earn it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You're not going to accomplish anything by yelling at that crowd other than painting a target on your back.
I think the stupid game is throwing the bottle.
There are two kinds of people. The ones who blame the bad guy, and the ones who blame the victim for getting mad at the bad guy.
Just so I understand your position: Are you saying justice is served when a plastic bottle is thrown at a car (which caused zero damage) should result in the bottle thrower and those with the bottle thrower being shot (possibly to death)?
So you understand justice is served when some guy gets out of the car to yell at you, and you and your friends beat him near death and destroy and steal everything he owns?
You didn't contradict what I heard you say, so I'll take that as I understood you right.
No, but I'm glad you're recognizing that there are differences in the level of actions and that can constitute a reasonable response. Keep building on that:
So how can either of these things be avoided?
Look at that! At the end of the day there's no property damage and no deaths of anyone!
You’re right. It didn’t become an issue until they beat him. And beating someone for yelling at your crime, big or small, should result in them also being beaten.
So the bottle thrower had a chance to avoid this, and the yeller had a chance to avoid this. Neither chose the avoid it. Both chose to escalate it.
Nope. You're pretending that all people act rationally. If you expect that, you're going to be disappointed. Not all people do that. Sorry, that's life. So if you are involved in a situation like this, that doesn't make it morally right for you to shoot someone, which is your position as stated before.
The the bottle thrower shouldn't have thrown. The yeller shouldn't have yelled, and nobody would be talking about this right now because nothing would have happened.
Maybe if she didn’t dress sexy. Maybe if that black man wasn’t in the wrong neighborhood. Maybe if they spoke better English. Maybe if they they didn’t speak up… they wouldn’t have been hurt.
Blocked.
I am offended that you think dressing sexy is an act of escalation to being raped.
Ah thank goodness! You've made my day better. I don't have to hold my nose anymore when you say its acceptable to shoot people that throw a plastic bottle at a car that creates zero damage.
If this guy had been armed, he would likely be dead. And some kid would have a new gun.
Well, that’s definitely a possibility.
have you ever handled a firearm?
Have you?
He escalated by getting out of his car? I agree that was stupid, he should have kept moving and not stopped for lights or stop signs, but it's pretty crazy some cities are at the point where getting out of your vehicle is considered "escalating" and leads to your car being destroyed and being viciously beaten by a group of 40 children.
correct. assuming malice from the kids, Mr Uulu got out of the car to confront literal children. this is escalating a trivial incident to a confrontation. over a plastic bottle hitting his car.
I'm just saying it's a sad world when you think the abnormal behavior here is someone getting of their car.
I think it is unhinged that we allow people to drive tank sized SUVs and pickups in the first place so I don't fault the teens for hating cars.
What a colossally dumb take. I'm sure this was totally an anti-car protest gone wrong. 🙄 Putting aside the fact that his car was literally a small sedan, which looks like a Toyota, I would pay good money to watch you go create "solidarity" against cars with this group of kids.
Then there'd be two idiots recovering from a severe beating.
I would concede that my comment was a tangent, but cars are destroying the planet and could potentially cause the extinction of our species, and yet you think hating excessively oversized cars makes me the dumb one? Interesting.
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He didn't chase anyone down according to the report. He ran away. Or tried to, anyway.
“He then drove through the intersection before pulling over and getting out of his car.” he got out of his car to confront them
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