@stabby_cicada I respect where this sentiment comes from, and I agree that for most gardeners, it would be better to do less. But we xant lose sight of the real prize: Learning how to exist with nature in mutually beneficial arrangements. That is, learning how to help nature with our activities, so that the more we intervene, the better nature thrives. An obvious example to me is planting trees

@IrateAnteater what are some good examples of somewhat successful movements with leaders?

@lemmylommy @wizardbeard all your examples are of peaceful protest. Is saving the climate important or is it not? If yes, then we need to become more radicalized

@IrateAnteater @wizardbeard I think it was crushed by police repression and contrary to what you believe, I believe not having figure heads was the main strength of the movement