Someone has probably said it better before me but, I'll try talking about the theft opinion with some coldness. I won't include AI right off the bat, to give context on what piracy and theft is said to be.
Paraphrased arguments regarding reapplication (for lack of a better word) of copyrighted material, as a spectrum:
- Individual from the proverbial "big guy", for personal use: This is more well-liked (especially online). Sites and trackers pirating a huge movie might be argued as
- ๐ (thumbup is support) "No one's losing money if I wasn't buying it anyway." (From a dbzer0 comment)
- ๐"Nintendo won't even let me buy it, so where else would I get it?" (Based on a pcmasterrace comment about vintage Nintendo, and the Yuzu stoppage)
- ๐ (thumbdown is against) "If no one pays them, no one produces. The extra cash flow from DVDs is gone nowadays so now it's harder to make a profit off a movie -- the studio's in the red." (I think Chris Pratt might've mentioned the studio-DVD budget issue. Citation needed.)
- Individual from individual, for personal use: This is more contentious, e.g. putting Patreon-premium art on an imageboard without the artist giving a go-ahead. The line is stricter here; arguers say:
- ๐ "This is for artist awareness, and is at least a net positive on world enjoyment." (Saw it on an imageboard)
- ๐ "The artist saved that for premium-buyers -- now their Patreon will suffer. Is their time-buy ratio minimum wage?" (Same imageboard; and a Twitter post about whether a shark drawn for 5 hours is worth 5 x the minimum wage)
- Individual from individual, for gain: Taking inspiration is fine, but tracing someone's work and passing it off as your own is not.
- ๐ "I painted this in the style of Mondrian. I was inspired." (Based on a Lemmy traditionalart post I saw, which wasn't related to AI arguments)
- ๐ "Tracing a da Vinci is forgery. So when you trace my animation and get 10x more views... you stole it from me." (Based off an animation tracing controversy I saw on an imageboard)
- Big guy from individual, for gain: Let's start to include AI. Now we have a "sawing the branch we're all on" scenario. Suppose AI gets really good at mimicry (i.e. no garbage shading, no Lovecraft mutations).
- ๐ "They still have a vanishing point issue where inbreeding will make them die. If the artists who fueled them all disappear, then good, new art disappears too." (I think someone here said that. Not qualified to say if it's for sure but it probably is.)
- ๐ "My signature is distorted in the bottom right. And I got paid nothing for this. Instead, rich people I don't even know are getting paid, without any of my control." (Based off of an angry blog post I saw somewhere. Someone here said something similar.)
- ๐ "Oh, so when I pirate Nintendo I need to dodge my ISP, but when a company pirates artists, no one cares?" (Me)
- ๐ "Wow, thanks to this, I can make art without having to commission artists." (qualification: make denotes to having a kind of control in the output here, as opposed to constructing the proportions oneself.) (Saw something similar on a Reddit DnD post but not outright said.)
- Big guy from big guy, for gain:
- ๐ "Lawyer time." (Ongoing litigation is occurring, such as with stock photo companies (ShutterStock?) or the New York Times iirc.)
Lol why did I type all this.
LOL I've never seen that before.
Do you use them both at the same time? Or do you switch between them rapidly? (Maybe you could make a taskbar button-toggle if it's the latter!)