This is actually what the Nazis did during WW2. Russia is a fascist dictatorship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts
This is actually what the Nazis did during WW2. Russia is a fascist dictatorship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts
Its also what Ukraine is doing right now, so not sure you what your point is.
Exactly which bit of a foreign country is Ukraine occupying and forcing its citizens to fight for them?
Probably believes the line about Ukraine always having been a part of Russia and its citizens Russians.
I looked through their other posts, their answer was "Russians with Ukrainian passports" so literally yes, they think Russian speakers in Ukraine are property of Russia.
Fuck off fascist
Fascist scum
More trash from Hexbear, what a surprise.
Stop. Get some help.
It's* also
The fact that 40% of the US supports this guy is absolutely fucking bonkers.
They would plead the fifth if they could count that high.
I'd love some sauce on that Ü
Sauce.
“Support” might be a strong word, but they don’t view Putin as an enemy.
They don't condemn Russia or the US leaders that push Putin's agenda here - that's how it's support. How could it be anything else?
To answer that: political view has more options than condemn and support.
Of course, imo, they should condemn putin, his supporters, trum, biden, scholz, macron and the whole idea of those beeing the options of development of our societies.
But its not helpfull for us to tune in on 2 dimensional, under-complex concepts of social development/politics
I understand your point, but I think the logic you are presenting is what is enabling these people. Ask yourself - what is the nuance in the Ukraine war? Fence sitting, and talking out both sides of your mouth about how we should condemn Putin yet also accept there is nuance to these issues is dangerous. It's not complicated. If you don't condemn Putin's actions, you are implicitly accepting/agreeing that Ukraine should be wiped out.
Putin relies on the populace accepting that there is "nuance" to the Ukraine war. Russia has conditioned (or at least is trying to condition) the population (in the west) into adopting this logic but the reality is that there is no nuance to this issue. What nuance could there be to an aggressor invading someone's land?
Have you read that I said "of course they should condemn putin ..."?
What I'm doing is not relativizing the invasion, but the opinions about it.
It's a meta level. I'm not talking about nuances of the war, but nuances of political views. The article and the discussion is on that level.
I agree with your call for clear (and plain coherent/realistic) condemnation of the war. Nevertheless this should not be confused with analyzing how many and how and why people don't see it that way.
Otherwise we give up a better understanding of what people think, which we need in order to find strategies to influence the discours on realities terms. (Reality meaning the reality of conciousness(es) about the war, not the war. That part we already agree on)
Read it back. It kinda seems like all you said was we should criticize both sides, you just listed out leaders instead and hid behind the word, nuance.
You're not really saying anything of substance. You're at risk of being so open-minded your brain's almost falling out.
Maybe, you could've just said there were very fine people on both sides
They are almost certainly a Russian troll. See their comment history.
Ok imma try to get my point across one more time: There are two different layers of reality about the war.
Both layers contain meaningful information.
A bit of info in layer 1: The war is bad.
A bit of info in layer 2: Not all people see that.
We agree on both. Now my point is: We should understand the nuances on layer 2.
Your answer is: "Layer 1 has no nuances"
The war is not the same thing as the opinions about the war.
To influence the discourse, i.e. opinions, it's better to understand the opinions specifically ("in nuances").
To close the discrapancy between misguided public opinion and actual reality, we need to understand the opinions, not confuse its object with its (ideologically structured) representation.
Support seems to plainly be the wrong word. "Not as an enemy, as a competitor" is definetly not "support". In my opinion calling it that is more than misleading
Oops wrong pic. But I think it also shows how far from this study the claim "30% support putin" is
I mean, I've had a couple people parrot the idea that we should be helping Americans instead of helping Ukraine fight against the occupying Russian forces.
If that isn't supporting Putin, then what is? Is it only support if you blatantly verbalize your support? That's like the people that think Americans aren't racist because we aren't lynching black and brown people in the streets for community entertainment anymore.
I assume that an alternative headline would be “War crime aficionado, Vladimir Putin, to shit on Geneva Conventions again by using POWs as a meat shield.”
Huh, it's almost like these regions didn't want to be independent from Ukraine and are being occupied and controlled by Russia as effective colonies. It seems Putin was never able to move out of an imperialist mindset, but I doubt that's a surprise to anyone except Russia apologetics.
this is so fucked up
You sign up, you get a rifle, you shoot a barrack full of ruzzkie. Seems like the only way.
Of course, that's why they had to kidnap all these thousands of children.
a army your own enemy, not gonna backfire at all
They dont hand the Ukrainian conscripts any real functioning weapons, if at all. They are used as meat shields and cannon fodder to absorb the limited ammunition Ukraine has.
thousands of people into citizenship ahead of elections Vladimir Putin has made certain he will win
With what amount of law exists there, these regions are a holy grail for I doubt anyone even knows how much people are alive and still there. They may use aproximations circa 2013 to get an easy way to add votes. They probably didn't count locals with a passport in a short period of time after Sept. 2023 if at all.
It's weird though that there's some legalism making them actually get the passport and sign for service themselves. I thought it could be automated. Probably a way to explain their mission here? Look, they take these papers, so we have big numbers to back up the cause and our governor looks pretty on meetings! I'm not sure why's that so.
That can't weigh well on Ukrainian forces fighting in occupied territories.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Russia has successfully imposed its passports on nearly the entire population of occupied Ukraine by making it impossible to survive without them, coercing hundreds of thousands of people into citizenship ahead of elections Vladimir Putin has made certain he will win, an Associated Press investigation has found.
Every passport and birth certificate issued makes it harder for Ukraine to reclaim its lost land and children, and each new citizen allows Russia to claim a right – however falsely – to defend its own people against a hostile neighbor.
AP spoke about the system to impose Russian citizenship in occupied territories to more than a dozen people from the regions, along with the activists helping them to escape and government officials trying to cope with what has become a bureaucratic and psychological nightmare for many.
If a passport was issued after that time – it was most certainly forced,” said Oleksandr Rozum, a lawyer who left the occupied city of Berdyansk and now handles the bureaucratic gray zone for Ukrainians under occupation who ask for his help, including property records, birth and death certificates and divorces.
The international organization Physicians for Human Rights documented at least 15 cases of people being denied vital medical care in occupied territories between February 2023 and August 2023 because they lacked a Russian passport.
Dina Urich, who arranges the escapes from occupied territory with the aid group Helping to Leave, said about 400 requests come in each month, but they only have the money and staff for 40 evacuations.
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