This is a great step forward for equality
Real equality is the state demanding you get in that fucking trench
I'm not sure if Denmark is one of those but for some states there's unfortunately little choice. Not like we in Finland want to be next to Russia. But only men having to serve is an obvious equality issue.
But don’t you think only women being the only ones in charge of giving birth to the next generation is an obvious equality issue, too?
Well, we can't change that with legislation but we can change who gets conscripted
Sounds like something a crazy dictator would do.
Everyone will now be able to have children for the glorious motherland
What a softie. A real dictator would say something like
Everyone is now required to give birth for the glorious motherland, and those that refuse will be shot as traitors.
I’m not sure if Denmark is one of those but for some states there’s unfortunately little choice.
There's plenty of choice that doesn't involve giving up your rights and become a slave to an authoritarian government. Such as voting for people who's goal is to help people and not exploit them, or fight against and not support corrupted politicians.
How does me voting for "people who’s goal is to help people and not exploit them" going to make Russia any less of a shitty and threatening neighbor?
Rulers and governments don't care about people, they care about profits and wealth. Pretty much all the west is in commercial partnership with countries arming russia like china. It's more profitable for them to keep making business with dictatorships like Emirates and building weapons rather than working toward peace and against other corrupted governments
I really don't understand what you are saying or offering as an alternative here.
Re read what i wrote I'll also explain it to you again:
Politicians and rulers, the ones in charge of pretty much every government are mentally ill individuals devoured by greed and lust for power. They do not care about others if not strictly out of personal interest. They are professional liars. As you can see right now in Gaza and as you can read in any history book these corrupted mafiosi seek war and use it as a tool to gain more wealth and power. They do not want peace, if not once they have put their filthy hands all over the place and to make sure nobody challenge their authority. The alternative to war is to strip these criminals of power and seek justice. Not making more nukes, not dumping trillions on weapons, not invading other countries, not mass surveillance, not beating protesters, not putting in jail Whistleblowers and not forcing everyone to fight for a country. Russia and Israel both have mandatory conscription, that's one of the really reason they can do what they are doing right now. Russians are chilling in dubai right now, next to western politician and billionares yachts. Building weapons, increasing their power and forcing everyone to be their slave is their dream, they don't care about helping people.
I really am trying but I'm not sure what you'd want me, a Finn, to do to solve the issue of the threat of Russian aggression. I really don't see many alternatives to us having a credible and strong defence.
Ever heard of "solidarity"? You can't just live safe while your countrymen risk their lives to defend you. If you don't like it, you have plenty of time to emigrate in peacetime.
If shit hits the fan, it's too late. YOU made the choice to stay in a country where you were obligated to defend you neighbour if called upon. You can't reap the benefits of collective protection and responsibility and then run off when it's time to step up and do the dirty work.
Yeah ever heard of solidarity? Fucking up people daily like governments and politicians do it's the opposite of that
YOU made the choice to stay in a country
So if you were a 17 years old russian you would buy a one way plane ticket and leave the country?
Sound like you are putting the blame on people rather than the corrupted politician criminals responsible for all of this.
Telle, what other choice do the Ukrainians have other than fighting? Or do you mean the Denmark government as authoritarian government?
Telle, what other choice do the Ukrainians have other than fighting?
The choice should be up to the people to begin with, instead their authoritarian government has decided that no man between 18-60 can leave the country. Ukrainians are not the ukrainian government.
What a step, everyone should be a slave with no discrimination of sex
Slave to the state
The best way to become a slave to a state is not to have a good defense. Just ask any neighbor af Russia.
Brainless serving in an army is not defense. People can defend themself better when they are free not when they are forced to obey corrupted rulers orders.
The step from "Denmark" to "Corrupted rulers" went a bit fast there.
You are aware that Denmark allows political parties and movements to oppose conscription, and that anyone strongly opposed can emigrate and denounce their Danish citizenship? Nobody is preventing anyone from doing those things. If you don't do them, you are implicitly accepting the social contract in the country.
This is a barbaric practice.
But its nice that women are now included.
I mean at least they're not sexist ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But it's* nice
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That’s not uncommon in countries with universal military service. Israel does this, and I think Finland and Singapore might as well. Sweden’s limited conscription (it’s a lottery, and you get to decline, though unless you have a strongly held conviction to do so, it’s a breach of jantelagen to do so) is also unisex, IIRC, which I suspect is more what the Danish model will look like than the IDF.
At least in Finland you can voluntarily join the army as a woman, but the military service is only mandatory for men, so it's not equal.
Finland
Norway, not Finland. Women have a duty to serve but so few are called up that it's kind of voluntary in practice.
Nope it is uncommon. Equal conscription only has been a thing for a few years in exactly two countries: Sweden and Norway. Neither Finland nor Singapore conscript women. Israel has conscription for women but it's shorter.
A (de facto) lottery was what made Germany suspend conscription because only pulling in a fraction of each cohort was considered a breach of equality.
Singapore does not conscript women, it's a matter of much debate. 80% of military work is administrative and logistic work which women are definitely physically qualified to do (without even considering the plenty of women who are more physically fit than some men, who would also do well in other physical roles).
What is jangelan?
It's the typical phrasing of social pressures to not stand out in Scandinavia, drawing from a book where the author phrases the "rules" somewhat as a legal code. Tall poppy syndrome is an overlapping idea that might be more familiar to English speakers.
Mandatory military service is slavery. Do not give up your freedom, do not serve corrupted governments and politician. Fight for justice not against it.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter
No, it is forced labor and indeed a serious infraction on human rights, but it's by no means slavery. Slaves can be sold and subjected to a bunch of other abuses.
Unlike slavery forced labor can be acceptable in certain conditions. I don't think conscription in Western countries falls under that. It's far too expensive (delaying people's entry to the workforce by a year should cost more than 2% of GDP and you can buy a lot of advanced weaponry with that much money) and in most places getting enough people into the military should be doable by offering more benefits. But in countries like Ukraine or in the West when we're talking about things like natuaral disasters it may be necessary to force people to work for the community.
What about compulsory education, is that imprisonment then?
It is for many
The article, to which you have linked, concerns a 60 year old critique of the contemporary US educational system. Besides the critique being of dubious relevance, simply due to its age, using it to argue that compulsory education is akin to imprisonment for many is misleading, if not fraudulent. Quite frankly it seems to me, that you linked the first apperarently appropriate hit in your google search.
Ok. It’s worth adding that in Denmark you can be a conscientious objector and go work in a public library instead.
I mean, there’s slavery and then there’s “working in a public library”. I’m not 100% sure they are the same.
1: Libraries have absolutely been supported with slave labor in the past.
2: Forced labor is forced labor.
3: There is still a difference between a draft to defend your country from a fascist like Putin and being drafted to invade Vietnam. I wouldn't personally call the first slavery, but the second one is.
Sad story
Good, if service is a duty of citizenship all should be called to partake and where some may not be able to contribute the same for any number of reasons they should have a way they can as well.
I don’t like conscription, though as a citizen of a country looking at a civil war in the future I do see some benefits to all citizens being trained soldiers, but the duties of citizenship should be spread to all who can bear them. It ensures that none feel that they are more entitled to the rights and benefits of citizenship than others and is an act of a fair and just society.
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