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submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Teachers will be forced to tell parents that their child is questioning their gender even if the young person objects under new guidance for schools in England, the equalities minister has indicated.

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[-] thepixelfox@kbin.social 97 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I love how people who aren't part of the community think they know what's best for the community. Fucking assholes, outing kids into what could be a potentially dangerous situation, depending on the parents views.

I'd love to out their deepest, most well kept secrets, see how they feel.

It's disgusting how all these 'protections' they put in place will do more harm than good. You can tell it's coming from an anti trans standpoint as they're trying to scare people into staying hidden.

Fuck the government.

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Don't blame the government. Name the people making these decisions.

[-] thepixelfox@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

I blame them all. The idiots proposing this shit and the government agreeing it's a good idea. They're all morons.

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

My point is that "the government" isn't some black-box machine. The government is people. You can blame "the government" all you want, but it's the people pulling the levers who deserve the blame. They should be named.

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 51 points 1 year ago

You guys will be banning books like Florida next if you don't nip this fascist bullshit in the bud right now.

[-] lasagna@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The unfortunate truth is that the majority of the people who voted really did vote for this sort of government. For the past 1.5 decades.

The current opposition is like the Biden alternative. I don't have many hopes for them but we are at a stage where almost anything is better than this. The current government has been a clown show.

[-] Veraxus@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago

Can someone explain how/why the Brits appear to be turning into Texans?

[-] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We've imported the culture wars from the US.

There's a range of anti trans lobbyists in the UK that are US funded, and our government is hoping that if you scare people about migrants and trans people for long enough, we'll forget that it's actually the Tory party that is destroying the country and vote them back in.

[-] englishlad@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

We have a very right wing cabinet, mainly due to everybody else getting kicked out/ resigning. They are very likely to get kicked out themselves next year, but due to the fixed term parliament law they are basically untouchable until then, so they are getting as much shit done as they can before they get replaced.

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[-] tabular@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Kids being unable to trust teachers here reminds me of being unable to trust teachers to stop anti-gay bullying due to Section 28.

[-] rynzcycle@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago

I gave up teaching two years after moving to the UK, it's an absolute mess.

I can only imagine needing to fill out the "inform the parent" form and then immediately needing to fill out a safeguarding form (something you fill out any time you note anything like bruises, comments, out of sort actions, etc.). It's absolutely tragic.

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[-] Bazzatron@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Ahh, more reasons for people to leave teaching.

Honestly, I think the only teachers I know that are still teachers today is because they're under the thumb of this system - specialised training that isn't much use elsewhere, so they have to stay and continue to work in increasingly impoverished conditions.

Any teachers reading this - I'm sorry for what you have to go through, and even as a childless individual, I am greatful for the sacrifices you're making to ensure the future of our society.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

You act like zero teachers agree with this shit...

That's the point, run out anyone that's not on the same "team"

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If the a doesn't want to tell his parents for whatever reason yet, it should stay this way.
Honestly sounds like something straight out of Florida or parody news websites lol.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago
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[-] mayor@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Why would they not tell their parents? Genuine question from someone out of the loop. If my kid was questioning I would prefer I know, right? The school has the kid for the majority of their time awake during the school year. This makes sense to me.

[-] Naia 48 points 1 year ago

Because bigots have literally tortured their kids over being queer forever. Kids who don't feel safe coming out at home usually have a good reason from fear of abuse to becoming homeless.

[-] HeavenAndHell@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Because there are deeply bigoted parents that would hit their child if they found out. Maybe try to see it from their viewpoint?

[-] mayor@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

That's why I commented a question asking for rationale behind a different viewpoint. Thanks stranger, that makes sense.

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[-] Ertebolle@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Hopefully, the rest of the EU holds the line on this, so that when the British come crawling back in a few years with their economy in tatters, they're forced to roll back all of this barbaric Tory social legislation as a condition of readmittance.

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

My dream Brexit outcome is that Scotland eventually gets a second referendum and leaves, then joins the EU by itself, then vetoes the rest of the UK when it tries to rejoin.

I'm not Scottish and this outcome would kind of fuck me over personally as well, but it would be hilarious and we'd fully deserve it.

[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I was questioning the gender of my teachers all the time but they did not go whining to my parents about it. Ill give them that.

[-] MasterObee@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Teachers are public servants.

If they're hiding necessary information about my kid from me, that's not serving the tax payers. That's government employees determining decisions for kids that aren't their own, without taking any risk for how these decisions turn out.

[-] Veraxus@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

If your child is too afraid of telling you something important about themselves or their lives, that is a YOU problem. Public servants exist to protect children from risks to their health and safety, including risks at home. Nobody has a right to abuse their children. If you want to know about their lives and challenges, you need to make yourself a safe person for them to confide in. If you are not, that's on you and you alone.

[-] MasterObee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

If your child is too afraid of telling you something important about themselves or their lives, that is a YOU problem

Did you tell your parents everything in high school?

I smoked weed for the first time when I was 13, I didn't tell my parents. Is that because my parents are bad? I didn't tell them I had sex with my first girlfriend, does that make my parents bad? I didn't tell them I was with my homies and he was speeding down gardener road, going 100.

Are my parents bad?

Public servants exist to protect children from risks to their health and safety, including risks at home.

And we have standards for that, if parents suspect abuse, they have to report it. Whether it's for the + community, or if it's for the straight cis community.

Nobody has a right to abuse their children.

I agree.

If you want to know about their lives and challenges, you need to make yourself a safe person for them to confide in.

I agree.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You sound like exactly the kind of parent teachers should avoid sharing any information with. You claim to be against abuse but you want to force teachers to share information that is well known to result in kids being abused by their parents.

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[-] rynzcycle@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Estimates of child abuse range from 10-20% of all school age children in the UK. Any person who is working in a classroom (including TAs and volunteers) has had some amount of safeguarding training to help mitigate the risk of harm to children.

It is literally our/their job to help prevent or mitigate harm that might come to children in their home lives, and teachers, admins, and safeguarding leads make decisions every day based on a clear and well-monitored framework to do so. This decision, made by people with little or no experience in the field, spits in the face of all of that.

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[-] Naia 7 points 1 year ago

Kids are not your property.

If your kid is trans or gay and they don't feel safe coming out to you then that's your fault. There are no decisions being made. Kids are going to be queer weather you like it or not.

If you think you can "do something" about your kids being queer then that's probably why they don't want to tell you.

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[-] heimchen@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago

French teachers when girls forget the e at the end of adjectives.

[-] febra@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Imagine being a kid under constant surveillance. Boomers really are all helicopter parents if they vote shit like this through. That will fuck up their kids and grandkids big time.

[-] Narjah@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Bloomers are currently aged 57-75. It's Gen X (46-56yrs old) and Millenials (25-40yrs old) that currently have most of the kids in school. Agree with the rest of your comment though.

As a millennial with a child, I'm so glad my parents didn't have half the shit available to them that my generation has. Even in a lot of daycares the parents can watch the CCTV live of their child. Literally just sit there at work and watch their child.

And that's before you get into tracking when kids get phones.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Would teachers be able to protest this law by telling all the parents their kid is questioning their gender all the time?

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