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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 440 points 10 months ago

No it won't.

240 million grandmas, cheapskate businesses, and cash-strapped public schools will continue to use whatever operating system their computers already have, forever, until they break, security implications be damned.

[-] bitwaba@lemmy.world 77 points 10 months ago
[-] anguo@lemmy.ca 50 points 10 months ago

Took this picture a couple of days ago: 1000006180

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

JSYK a lot of embedded devices use XP and 7, and some of those manufacturers pay for extended support. The military also pays for extended support for XP

But yeah, most of those devices are not patched and vulnerable AF.

[-] Pra@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago

I always laugh at, after being in the military and a government employee, things being marketed as military grade. So what, it runs on windows server 2003 and hasn't been in production for 20 years?

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

This is a huge business opportunity for someone with the know-how. They should offer a consulting service that does the following:

  1. Catalogs the software your company is using.
  2. Identifies which ones have native Linux versions, which ones work well under WINE, and which ones will need to be replaced with either a different native application or an online equivalent.
  3. Installs and configures Linux with a Windows-like UI on your old systems, and gets them set up with the replacement software.

Offer a support contract that severely undercuts anything Microsoft is ~~gouging~~ selling. Offer basic training, too.

Anyone who does that can make bank.

[-] voluble@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

Would also need to get a burner phone number w/ answering machine to take calls from 240 million grandmas, cheapskate businesses and cash-strapped public schools for any & all tech support questions until the end of time, because if there was an issue with system stability in any way whatsoever, or if the router went down or the printer stopped working, they'd assume it was the fault of 'the guy who changed everything'.

Linux is great & everything, but this sounds like a recipe for utter disaster, not a way to make an easy buck.

[-] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

I can't agree with this more. People like to sell Linux as a magic bullet, but it does not and will not everything everyone needs without maintenance and people really like to hand wave or downplay that need.

Sure, you could find a solution for what they're using now. What happens when they need something else and they're so tech illiterate that they don't even know what you did to their machine? They wouldn't even know how to install new software, and if they did, they wouldn't know they need to click the Linux version, etc. It's not always about feasibility and available options, it's often about the fact that people just won't fucking know what to do. Even if you assume there are enough options available, they won't know how to do so.

And every step Microsoft takes to shoot themselves in the foot, and every step Linux takes to make this easier, everyone comes screaming about how much this could change things.

But until Linux has a HUGE market share - like in the 30-70 percent range - developers are not going to take it seriously and alleviate this process. Even with how well MacOS does, this is not even a solved problem entirely there - there are still hang ups and still software that doesn't get released for mac. Linux would have to pass where Apple is today for this to become remotely accessible to an every day person.

And even THEN there's the question of different Linux distros.

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[-] funchords@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 10 months ago

My 76 y/o spouse loves Linux Mint. The 2017-bought desktop was deemed insufficient for Windows 11 and now runs Mint.

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[-] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 21 points 10 months ago

yeah, other than the obvious "haha-ing in Linux" (which.. I also use Linux) - the REAL answer is people will just keep using the outdated Windows until THAT computer dies it's natural death.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 150 points 10 months ago

Yes, because normal people always throw PCs away when they stop getting security updates.

[-] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 24 points 10 months ago

When Chrome/Firefox stop getting updates and websites stop working they will

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[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 21 points 10 months ago

most normal people are just going to be happy their computer isn't annoying them about restarting for updates every two days

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[-] Eggyhead@kbin.run 104 points 10 months ago

That’s a lot of new Linux computers.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

I want to believe.

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[-] SnotFlickerman 77 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Well you see, they learned their lesson from Windows 7 and having to support it for years longer than they intended to.

They know the same thing will happen for 10, because they are literally forcing a bunch of hardware out, even though all of it can technically run Windows 11 and just don't have a TPM 2.0 chip. They made this choice, this was a business decision and they know it's coming.

So what did they learn? To not give it away for free. Now they're rolling out a program to charge consumers for access to extended updates for Windows 10.[^1]

Back in the Windows 7 days, they only did that for corporations, extended updates with a cost attached. Now you, the consumer, get the joy of paying for these updates as well.

Not only are they purposefully creating trash, they're also squeezing people for money in the process.

They're doing exactly what they did with Windows 7, this time they just plan to charge you for the convenience.

Stay classy, Microsoft.

[^1]: "Individuals or organizations who elect to continue using Windows 10 after support ends on October 14, 2025, will have the option of enrolling their PCs into a paid ESU subscription."

[-] grue@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You forgot the "best" part, which is that requiring TPM 2.0 is purely self-serving for Microsoft in that it serves no purpose but to make it more difficult to run non-Windows OSs on the hardware in the future.

Nobody needs a TPM except for the copyright cartel trying to destroy computer owners' property rights.

[-] SnotFlickerman 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh I mean, I thought that was implied, but yeah, go off about it, it fucking sucks!

EDIT: In response to your edit. ACKSHUALLY the TPM requirement is a big deal for corporations, because it does help increase corporate security. The thing is, the average user doesn't actually need that extra security so much and will likely never use it so making it a requirement for the consumer-level Windows is abject bullshit.

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[-] neonred@lemmy.world 77 points 10 months ago
[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 72 points 10 months ago

Once upon a time, updating your hardware every couple of years was essential. Your new hardware was a lot faster for normal use, and everyone benefitted.

Over time, however, people could wait longer between updates, as new hardware didn't impact daily use all that much.

The powers that were grew displeased, and then decided to force people to update more often. Newer hardware had shorter lifespans, software forced newer hardware, software as a service became king.

The End?

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[-] yoz@aussie.zone 64 points 10 months ago

I installed linux. I only use browser and vlc and it works great. I am not buying a new machine when old one works just fine.

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[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 49 points 10 months ago

Sounds to me like an opportunity for Linux and Linux derivatives.

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[-] Obonga@feddit.de 49 points 10 months ago

Windows 11 can suck my stinky cock. Windows will successfully force my LAZY ass to Linux. I am already testing the waters with my laptop.

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[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

None of these PCs need to go to landfill. Linux

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[-] Gormadt 41 points 10 months ago

Hello, it's me, a landfill

Those systems are going to be dirt cheap Linux boxes in the very near future

Or at least a couple will be for me

[-] RedditEnjoyer@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Cool, a prime opportunity to scalp even more old machines by the end of the decade once they become valuable.

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[-] Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 10 months ago

Meanwhile Apple does this every few years and nobody cares.

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[-] LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

I've been saying for years I was going to move back over to Linux. This will be the push I need. Sadly my Dad is bad at computers and will need Windows 11 when using 10 becomes a problem. I'm throwing this at my brother since I was the one who got our Dad a Windows 10 computer. FU Microsoft, you peaked at XP.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

I was in your place when Win7 died (Win 7 was the true peak, fite me :p) and made the switch myself, then.

Also linux is easy, probably easier, for parents to use. They don't game or do anything complicated, all they gotta do 99.999999% of the time is just load the web browser to do whatever they are doing. I have several astonishingly stupid family members running linux, with less issues than when they had windows.. So maybe you can swap out your dads OS without much issue. Just use a distro that has a more windows-y interface with a start button and the bar across the bottom.

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

Or folks will just continue to use 10.

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[-] Infynis@midwest.social 39 points 10 months ago
[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago

same as how it "popped off" when Windows XP got discontinued?

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[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

More people will switch to Linux once and for all.

[-] max@feddit.nl 53 points 10 months ago

Techies? Probably. Your average user? They will keep using windows 10. Just like they’ve been using XP, Vista, and 8(.1) wayyyyy past EoL.

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[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml 34 points 10 months ago

The great LINUX uprising of 2025!!!

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[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 33 points 10 months ago

A fraction of those "old" computers will use Linux. Perhaps we'll reach 5% desktop market share soon thanks to Microsoft.

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[-] TheOneWithTheHair@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

"Windows 7 appears to still be running on at least 100 million machines, despite Microsoft ending support for the operating system a year ago"

--Tom Warren. Jan 6, 2021.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/6/22217052/microsoft-windows-7-109-million-pcs-usage-stats-analytics

Maybe the landfill won't be overstuffed as quickly as expected.

See also

"Monthly market share held by Windows operating system for desktop PCs worldwide from January 2017 to November 2023, by version" https://www.statista.com/statistics/993868/worldwide-windows-operating-system-market-share/

It's a dwindling effect, not just instant abandonment.

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[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

yay i can finally get a good laptop on ebay in 2025! 😹

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

Launching Windows 11 in the midst of a semiconductor shortage was such a dumb move on Microsoft's part, especially when 11 doesn't really offer that much more than 10. The only real 'groundbreaking' new feature (multiple desktops) was something that Linux had fifteen years ago.

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[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

So 2025 will finally be the year of the Linux desktop?

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[-] ryehypernova@lemmy.ml 25 points 10 months ago

Reject Windows, emabrace Linux and FOSS Software

[-] TypicalHog@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago

Why would you send 240 million PCs to the landfill when you can install Linux on all of them?

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[-] kinther@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

I built a new PC last year and bought a copy of Windows 11. Holy moly the login process required so much bullshit that I skipped through. It also every few days tries to get me to go through it again. After learning about all the Spyware and other bullshit I decided to just take the plunge back into using Linux as a main OS.

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[-] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 10 months ago

This isn't a problem if you're still using Windows 7! ;-)

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[-] fakeCheese 23 points 10 months ago

It's beating a dead horse, but there are plenty of user-friendly Linux versions out there that will run just fine on most computers that ran Windows.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

just use linux instead.

why are people allergic to ~~windows~~ linux?

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[-] femboy_bird 20 points 10 months ago

Fuck microsoft, on the bright side thing of all the cheap 2nd hand hardware

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