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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by pornhubfan@sh.itjust.works to c/memes@sopuli.xyz

At least I subscribed to !memes@sopuli.xyz

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[-] Candelestine@lemmy.ca 96 points 1 year ago

Yeah, we need to spread out a little more. Fediverse is not about having centralized concentrations that can be targetted.

Ideally every minor Instance could have one major community located there, that could serve as the central space for that particular community. That's pretty impossible of course, but it paints the picture.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 38 points 1 year ago

I'm running a small instance, thelemmy.club

We even have built in Voyager/WefWef at app.thelemmy.club :P

I don't advertise is too often as I'm not trying to get huge, we have about 120 users and have been up a month. But we have plenty of resources to grow a little.

[-] serfraser@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 year ago

Mine is sorta like this, it's pretty quiet but then also happens to have the biggest Steam Deck community.

[-] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago

It's also got the biggest community covering the Russo-Ukrainian war: !ukraine@sopuli.xyz

[-] vacuumpizzas@t.bobamilktea.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

It has a few niche communities. !anarchychess@sopuli.xyz was the first community on your server that I subscribed to.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

Anarchychess was the reason I joined sopuli.xyz, before I understood how the Fediverse worked.

All of reddit could burn, but I needed my en passant fix.

[-] skulblaka@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

Tinfoil hat theory: OG Lemmyheads are attacking the big centralized communities and taking them down in order to force all the new users to spread amongst the smaller instances like we're supposed to, preventing inevitable corporate control of the ActivityPub platform

I doubt that's anywhere close to the truth but I choose to believe it, crusty old hackers pulling the plug on their children for our own good

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

As possible as anything else, but it would be unusual. I find it strange that people are so eager to reach for unusual explanations when the actual, conventional extremist trolls absolutely exist. This would be 100% in-character for them, and would benefit their goals very clearly.

Occam's Razor.

Additionally, they would try to point the finger at absolutely everyone except for them, as that would clearly serve their goals of general misinformation and distrust.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

To be totally clear, they literally said it's a tinfoil theory. To me that implies they're just wildly speculating.

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[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Why can't we have community tags for grouping? Like have a "tag" you can subscribe to that encompasses all "meme" communities, or "politics", etc. Then if something goes down people can default to whatever. Maybe you could even make it so if you wanted to post you could post it into tag and the tag decides based off metrics which community to actually post it in? Idk, maybe I am dumb. But that seems cool.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago

That's actually not a bad idea. It'd be cool to have communities, community tags, and post tags. You could choose to sort by whichever you want. You could go to a community, or you could just look at the "solarpunk" tag if you want, similar to Twitter I guess.

[-] DharkStare@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For communities, I feel like a good solution would be to let mods link similar communities from different instances together, sorta like an automatic cross post.

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[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Ideally every minor Instance could have one major community located there, that could serve as the central space for that particular community. That’s pretty impossible of course, but it paints the picture.

You could probably do that if you had a centralised coordinator who could assi... I'll see myself out.

[-] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Part of the problem is discoverability. If people don't use my instance, they rarely know we have independent communities like !todayilearned@civilloquy.com. Some, like !games@civilloquy.com are really shadowed by larger versions where some sort of multi community subscription could help a lot.

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[-] 21racecar12@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel like we’re seeing the inherent flaws of the fediverse here in some aspects. A completely democratic spread or spread in general of communities doesn’t seem like it’s going to work. Real people and infrastructure are behind making sure instances with communities that serve large amounts of user requests stay up and operable. Infrastructure costs people and money, and people with right skills and fundraising skills are not evenly distributed.

If an instance touts itself to be a mega-instance, that’s one thing. Lemmy is still a confusing place to understand if I should create my own community or join one. Some communities and instances have a lot more % active users and moderators than others.

People are also lazy. Hosting your own instance is “easy” until you have a popular community, or handful of popular communities. Unless you treat it like a job, not a whole lot of people are interested in spending time figuring out fundraising and dev ops to ensure their community can deal with future user growth.

Money, talent, and physical infrastructure aren’t evenly and fairly available. So it makes it difficult to produce a federated universe that doesn’t reflect these things.

Can’t expect new users to go down the rabbit hole of trying to understand what instance they should make an account on. All instances will grow over time and we are seeing a lot of unevenness because of factors stated above. Instances will surely balance out as time goes on, so I think whoever is prematurely attacking large instances—whether they are doing so for fediverse axiom related issues or not—is making fundamental mistakes of fediverse theory.

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[-] Holodeck_Moriarty@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

I highly recommend spreading out and creating accounts on other instances. Whenever one instance has issues or something, I just use another. That's the strength of the fediverse.

Plus, you might find (or create) some cool local posts, which helps spread out content.

[-] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Mastodon account also works as a backup since you can subscribe to communities and post comments from there.

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[-] remkit@lemmy.kya.moe 24 points 1 year ago

truly tragic, communities should have never centralised on the top instances.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago

Centralization is natural, even in the fediverse. A successful lemmy is going to look like tens of large instances, a few hundred medium instances, and a ton of tiny and irrelevant instances. Even if federation and discovery get more transparent it's still likely going to be mostly centralized.

[-] variants@possumpat.io 6 points 1 year ago

Owners of larger instances should freeze people making new accounts and point them to a site that can list other instances maybe for periods of time. There should be some sort of pledge amongst instance owners to help the fediverse where they aren't hard rules but things to try and do

[-] superkret@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

A block like this would have probably kept me from making an account here, and I'm an IT tech.
(I tried to create my user on Fedd.it, but it simply wouldn't let me. I tried 10x. So I'm on lemmy.world because here, it worked.) We don't need anything that makes entering the Fediverse harder.

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's only one person to blame for the sudden explosion of users of a new and undeveloped system. I see this all as a good thing to happen in the beginning, as it will help improve and solidify solutions now, rather than years later when things are more established. There will be shuffling and mirroring of communities, and tools made to help in that cause, and all of that will make the overall fediverse better.

[-] osti@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

I guess I'm lucky to be on lemmy.ca, but it's concerning that a lot of the popular stuff is located on two servers. What's the point of the fediverse, then?

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[-] Ignacio@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago

When I'm sorting by all, instead of local or subscribed communities/magazines, everything I see comes from lemmy.world. It looks like Kbin/Sopuli/Beehaw are just a desert, until you sort by local and, aleluyah, there is updated content.

[-] Undearius@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago
[-] Ignacio@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago

Probably, but I'm not sure, those words are very strange to me in English.

[-] Undearius@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Well you're doing better than most English speakers, and you got the word close enough to understand what you were saying. It's a strange word in english anyway

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[-] Mewtwo 12 points 1 year ago

Don't subscribe to lemmy.ml, the owner is a pro CCP. I unsubbed from all .ml communities.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

People are allowed to support whatever political causes they wish, so long as they are willing to engage civilly and fairly with other people. This is how the modern world works, with dialogue and debate instead of censorship, cowardly avoidance and control.

[-] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

Well, people are also absolutely free to choose not to associate with, use services from people whose opinions they find objectionable etc. Nothing wrong with that.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Of course they are. But once they start telling other people what to do, they are doing a different thing from that, are they not?

[-] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

They're just expressing an opinion just like the Lemmy devs have. (note: I have not looked into what their views are exactly so I'm not saying parent poster is correct)

Nobody is being forced to do what they suggest.

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[-] exododo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Wait untill you find who made lemmy in the first place. But don't worry, there's this proud capitalist alternative called reddit.

[-] Mewtwo 11 points 1 year ago

I've been here for over a month, I'm well aware of who the Lemmy dev is.

Fortunately I also understand how Lemmy and the fediverse works.

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It's irrelevant who made lemmy since it's an open source project. Both reddit and lemmy are products of capitalist systems.

It's also using ActivityPub protocol, which was developed by W3C, a non-profit organization with a CEO, a board of directors and sponsored by large corporations such as Amazon, Google and Microsoft.

Yeah, after what happened to VLemmy I decided to start my own instance, that way as long as I maintain it I know for a fact that it won't just go down.

[-] spiderplant@infosec.pub 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I keep seeing Vlemmy mentioned but I guess I missed the drama. Did the server admin unexpectedly shut the server down?

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

Pretty much, just vanished off the face of the earth. Donation links got shut down too. I've seen some discussions alleging there was an incident with law enforcement (A user uploaded "japanese underage child" content to the server, which was illegal in vlemmy's juristiction - ireland IIRC?) and shortly after that the server disappeared

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[-] null@zerobytes.monster 9 points 1 year ago
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[-] FuckSpez@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

While other instances are down, sh.itjust.works

[-] pornhubfan@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Except when sh.itjust.works went down later too lol

https://lemmy.world/post/1604919

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