UN team says rape, gang rape likely occurred during Hamas attack on Israel (www.reuters.com)

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago

The U.N. team said it also received information from institutional and civil society sources and direct interviews, about "sexual violence against Palestinian men and women in detention settings, during house raids and at checkpoints" after Oct. 7. The detention centers were in Israel.

The U.N. team said it raised the allegations with the Israeli Ministry of Justice and Military Advocate General, which said no complaints of sexual violence against members of the Israeli Defense Forces had been received.

One side is a literal terrorist group and the other is supposed to be the beacon of freedom and western values...

But Israel denies it ever happens and not only doesn't investigate reports, they don't actually record them anywhere.

It's state sponsored and approved.

Which explains why the people who have been their victims for generations sink to the same level as their oppressors.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago

This is completely, utterly uncontroversial, except by a subset of the extreme far left at war with reality. Let's see where the downvote ratio ends up.

[-] hydroxide@lemmy.ml 29 points 7 months ago

What's controversial is the depiction of Palestinians as rapists and outlining a systemic, racial, or cultural issue of rape within Arab populations, then pointing to the few instances it does occur as proof for a racist point of view.

Both parties are guilty of rape and sexual assault. None of that is okay. However only one is being racially profiled as having an innate proclivity for rape.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Nobody is saying this. It's kind of racist to even assume people are, actually.

Hamas raped a bunch of people on October 7th and the far left can't handle that without making it a systemic race issue. That's pretty fucked up.

[-] hydroxide@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago

You are ridiculous. First you spread misinformation about the ICJ ruling, bending what the ruling meant. Now you are trying to use a 'no, you' card to bend my words and pretend that there hasn't been a racist campaign against Palestinians and Arabs for decades.

There were likely rapes that occurred on October 7th, and there have been rapes of Israeli detained Palestinian hostages as well. How can you not see that one is now being used as a racial justification for genocide while the other is ignored.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

You're confusing a political justification for war against a terrorist organization with a racial justification for genocide. There are millions of arabs living in Israel, and they aren't being killed. Not everything is systemic racism.

And as far as your history goes you're missing a bunch of wars the surrounding Arab countries declared on Israel. This isn't a simple "white people bad" situation.

[-] hydroxide@lemmy.ml 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Non-Jewish Arabs in the basic laws of Israel do not have rights to self determination. Its a fucking apartheid state. Its like saying millions of native Africans lived in South Africa. These people only had a reason to attack because they live in an open air prison that mirrors a Warsaw ghetto with complete siege from their neighbor. A lot of the things they did was retaliation and a deep brewing anger. What the fuck were they supposed to do? March peacefully? Israel shot them by the thousands in 2018 when they tried to. where is your humanity?

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Tell me about the rights of Jews in any of the surrounding Arab countries first. They don't have any either, where they weren't forcibly expelled.

Comparing pre-war Gaza to the Warsaw ghetto is so fucking outlandish that I know you've never actually read about it. You probably read that on Twitter and have been parroting it back. I won't argue with you on there being apartheid, but let's lay off the extreme hyperbole.

And as for what they were supposed to do? Maybe lay off the terrorism and take one of the several deals they get offered once a decade. They could've had statehood with a fucking elevated highway connecting Gaza to the West Bank, but they turned that down. Defending a 9/11 scale terrorist attack on the basis of "what else should they have done" is frankly unconscionable.

[-] Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago

"Tell me about the rights of Jews in any of the surrounding Arab countries first." Sorry, gotta expect more out of the most moral army in the world than an eye for an eye.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Who called the IDF "the most moral army in the world"? Certainly not me. However someone peddling a "white oppressor vs brown oppressed" ought to at least know the history of the region.

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago

Tell me about the rights of Jews in any of the surrounding Arab countries first. They don't have any either, where they weren't forcibly expelled.

What a low bar to set for a supposedly first world nation.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

The second world gets a pass on ethnic cleansing? What a weird policy.

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago

You are saying because Arab countries are shit to Jews, it's okay for Israel to be shit to Arabs in their own country.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

No, I'm saying this issue is complicated and if your primary sources of information are Twitter and tiktok then you should do some actual research before making blanket statements of good and evil.

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago

I'm not sure what you are insinuating. I'm not reading twitter or TikTok. My primary source is you. I quoted your post. Let me rephrase for you:

Someone else said that Arabs don't have rights in Israel. You said that it's the same as Jews not having rights in surrounding Arab Nations, coupled with them actually being expelled from those countries. You are justifying Israel being shitty towards Arabs within Israel with the surrounding nations being shitty towards them.

This would be as if Hungary was shitty towards Romanians in Hungary (they are not) just because Romanians have been shitty towards Hungarian minority living in Romania after decades of propaganda. Or as if francophones were treated badly in Ontario (they are not) just because Québec treats Anglos like second class citizens.

Let me see what random goalpost moving shit you bring up in your next post.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Context clues mate. Consider the point the person I was replying to was trying to make. I never suggested anything was "okay" for anyone to do, just that the "pro October 7th" narrative they were trying to spin was insane and they had absolutely no idea what they were talking about about.

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago

Fine. I'll concede that. But maybe add a /s for clarity.

[-] Atin@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

And yet Israeli Muslims, and Christians too, can vote, they can become members of the Knesset, can become high level judges, can join the military.

[-] Zeroxxx@lemmy.id 1 points 7 months ago

'likely'

Left oh left.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

I just saw people saying the attackers raped people during the attack.

[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 14 points 7 months ago

It's hard to believe when israel lies about everything constantly. Once people saw how the 40 babies rumor was being spread by israel, it's normal to be critical of information.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I encourage you to look into how an Israeli soldier saying "1 decapitated, 40 burned" got turned into "40 decapitated" by a game of telephone. The Israeli government never claimed that, and clarified when they got asked by journalists.

[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

Israel and Hamas are both bad, roast me

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's not really the point here. If you haven't noticed, recently a lot of people on Lemmy have been suggesting that the reports of rape on Oct 7th were made up or propaganda.

The UN saying that it likely happened is important to counter that propaganda.

Similar to if reports of shooting civilians by IDF were being denied but then validated by 3rd party investigators, rational people should rightfully want to see that spread to counter misleading propaganda.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 24 points 7 months ago

I thought we knew this already

[-] Jamil@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Read the article and there's zero evidence as before. "Credible circumstantial information", what does that even mean?

Just more Western media doing what they do best, lie on behalf of Israel.

[-] Arete@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

DNA evidence, fingerprints, blood, etc are all "credible circumstantial information". It's a common category of evidence, encompassing pretty much everything except direct testimony.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

There's literally video and images thanks to hamas body cams. It's rough going and I doubt you'd watch it.

[-] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

At the Nova music festival and its surroundings, there are reasonable grounds to believe
that multiple incidents of sexual violence took place with victims being subjected to rape and/or
gang rape and then killed or killed while being raped. Credible sources described finding 5
murdered individuals, mostly women, whose bodies were naked from their waist down – and
some totally naked – tied with their hands behind their backs, many of whom were shot in the
head. On Road 232, credible information based on witness accounts describe an incident of the
rape of two women by armed elements. Other reported instances of rape could not be verified in
the time allotted. The mission team also found a pattern of bound naked or partially naked bodies
from the waist down, in some cases tied to structures including trees and poles, along Road 232.
In kibbutz Re’im, the mission team further verified an incident of the rape of a woman outside of
a bomb shelter and heard of other allegations of rape that could not yet be verified.

If you want to read more try the actual report

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