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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by pivot_root@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

This also includes ceasing development and destroying their copies of the code.

The GitHub repo page for Yuzu now returns a 404, as well. In addition, the repo for the Citra 3DS emulator was also taken down.

As of at least 23:30 UTC, Yuzu's website and Citra's website have been replaced with a statement about their discontinuation.


Other sources found by @Daughter3546@lemmy.world:


There is also an active Reddit thread about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1b6gtb5/

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 190 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm sorry but how is using the actual keys from a legally purchased system circumventing anything? It's like saying using the actual key to your own front door counts as breaking and entering.

[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 105 points 1 year ago

DRM is evil. Laws prohibiting circumventing DRM are also evil.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago

Nintendo's angle is more along the lines of:

  • We gave our friend Switchy the keys to a lockbox.
  • You tricked Switchy into giving you our keys.
  • We didn't authorize you to use those keys.
  • Using our keys without our permission is circumventing our DRM.
  • Yuzu is a tool that enables you to use our keys.
  • It's illegal to distribute tools to circumvent DRM.

It's a massive reach, but it's a plausible argument—or even a good one if the judge is a technologically illiterate luddite. Beyond that, Nintendo is the kind of litigant that will drag out a lawsuit until the other party is forced to settle.

[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

There's a different kind of judge now than the technologically illiterate?

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I can't quite remember the name, but there is actually at least one U.S. judge that takes the time and effort to learn about the technology in depth before making a ruling.

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[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

If I’m not authorized to use those keys, how do I use Switchy?

I guess all Nintendo games are illegal to play by that argument, even with their console

[-] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

Because the dmca says so.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

It shouldn't be illegal, but it is because the law about it was written by the industry 25 years ago because our lawmakers think the internet and indoor plumbing work the same way.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago

Hey man, IP, you pee, whatever.

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[-] Cyv_ 125 points 1 year ago

Wow. Fuck Nintendo. I own 2 switches and ToTK. Of course I emulate it, so I don't have to play at 20fps. And I can mod the game. Not buying another nintendo product again. I'm done. I'll just pirate it since it seems I don't own it anyways. Can't play it where I want, how I want, so why play by the rules at all.

[-] sploosh@lemmy.world 110 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I own a launch era Switch. When I run Yuzu, I use the keys that I pulled off of it. When I play games in Yuzu, they are games I have purchased and dumped using the Switch Nintendo sold me. The controller I use is a Nintendo Pro controller. I play on my computer because it is MUCH better at playing Switch games than my overclocked Switch is. Just fuck off with this Nintendo, stop making your games worse.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Your games should stutter just the way Nintendo intends them to or you're not getting the full experience!

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[-] Wilzax@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Let this be a lesson: if you try to forcibly pry open the gates of DRM hell and let software be free, you best let it be truly free and only money off it from the donations of your supporters. Don't be like yuzu and monetize the living hell out of your emulator. Don't stuff it with telemetry, don't hide releases behind a patreon paywall.

That all being said, fuck Nintendo.

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

tbf there was never a paywall. ea = latest yuzu master branch with some work-in-progress-but-almost-ready-for-general-use prs merged in.
anyone could have taken the repo, merged prs from the list and built it, with no need to pay for anything. It's free software after all

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[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Bleem was a paid and they won, but this was before the anti circumvention addendum. Yuzu wasn't sued for being an emulator, but because it used the keys file to decrypt games.

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[-] markr@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago

I started out in the computer industry working for a company that reverse engineered and built IBM compatible terminal systems, This was more than 40 years ago, when that was its own large and profitable sector of the computer hardware market. It was absolutely legal to build 'plug compatible' reverse engineered third party systems. DRM is almost entirely horseshit that has helped turn the entire tech industry into silo'd enshittified monopolies.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 13 points 1 year ago

Nothing capitalists say about feudal rights mean much of anything. More or less the entire tech industry isn't allowed to have non-competes and it's such a big field because of it.

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[-] spez_@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

They're wrong and it is ethical to steal their IP

[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 70 points 1 year ago

Fuck DRM though, all my homies hate DRM.

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[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 65 points 1 year ago

Money is a weapon in western society. You can't win just because you're right

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago

Can't blame them but at the same time, yeah kind of sad they folded as easily as a Nintendo DS.

I will say Nintendo can count on me, a older game with disposable income and kids, not buying a switch 2 with they way they've been acting with all of their lawsuit and anti-consumer practices.

[-] dirtbiker509@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

Logging in to cancel my switch online right now. I was using YUZU to play games I bought from them, in some cases even more than once. F Nintendo. I won't be buying a Switch 2.

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[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

Same here: When I want to buy a game for portable play, I'll just use my Steam Deck and buy from Valve or GOG instead, maybe even emulate some Nintendo games on it out of spite.

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[-] Huschke@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

As another older gamer I have bought every single switch first party game to display them on my shelves. I also have them all on my PC as roms so I can enjoy them with high fidelity and stable 60 FPS.

I will neither buy another one of their games nor their next console and I also downloaded each and every rom I could find out of spite. I hope their next console crashes and burns like the Wii U...

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[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

Nintendo got them alone in a dark room and told them that if they don't settle, admit and pay something they might be able to pay off in their lifetimes (Nintendo doesn't care about the money, 2.4 million is nothing to them), Nintendo would tie them up in legal battles for years, still making them broke and probably blocking them from doing something new.

Or something.

Fucking corporate shills. Why can't we just all have fun gaming. Piracy increases sales.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's no way they would state that directly, or they would be labeled a vexatious litigant. They might have emphasized their desire to refuse future settlement offers if the first one wasn't taken, if you catch my drift.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Personally I think there's a direct indirectness in everything you say to a person when alone in a dark room.

[-] alphapuggle@programming.dev 55 points 1 year ago

I can load a pirated copy onto a modded console, does that mean that Nintendo is liable for their software being used for piracy?

[-] isles@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they better pay themselves some damages.... Oh wait.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Yup, I don't think I'm buying any Nintendo products anytime soon

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[-] tabular@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was thinking of buying a few Nintendo games to use on an emulator but that's a lot of effort and there are other good games out there. Glad I didn't so I wouldn't feel shame for giving them more money. Nintendo Direct my balls into your mouth.

[-] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Nintendo can count on its games being pirated even more now. Good for me that I never touched a nintendo in my life.

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[-] Daughter3546@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Fuck Nintendo and their mafia-like bully tactics.

[-] Monomate@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago

For those looking for the latest Yuzu and Citra releases: Yuzu Win/Linux Early Access, Yuzu Android, Citra Win/Mac/Linux/Android.

[-] SnotFlickerman 36 points 1 year ago

Ryujinx lives on, thankfully, for the moment.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

They also have a Patreon. Since Nintendo got away with killing Yuzu, Ryujinx is probably next.

[-] ed_cock@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Man... in a better world Nintendo wouldn't have a case because liberating encryption keys is the basis for interoperability, which is good for, you know, competition. Competition is good. Or so I've heard.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I wonder how much the "Yuzu is primarily for piracy" thing will hurt yuzu successors off the open sourced code.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

Does a settlement like this set any kind of precedent?

[-] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

According to the article:

They are asking a federal judge to say yes to this, specifically:

Developing or distributing software, including Yuzu, that in its ordinary course functions only when cryptographic keys are integrated without authorization, violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act’s prohibition on trafficking in devices that circumvent effective technological measures, because the software is primarily designed for the purpose of circumventing technological measures.

So I think they're definitely intending to set precedent with this case, though this settlement hasn't been accepted by the court yet.

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

AFAIK settlements can't be used as precedent. IANAL tho.

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