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YouTube Music team laid off by Google while workers testified to Austin City Council about working conditions::Some workers learned of the YouTube Music layoffs while testifying to the Austin city council about Google's refusal to negotiate with the union.

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[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 119 points 1 year ago

YouTube music being built by Cognizant makes sense tbh.

[-] BorisBoreUs@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

... Realest comment so far

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Hmm I wonder if they're responsible for the Audible app, too?

[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It all makes sense now.

[-] SuperIce@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cognizant, a professional services company that Alphabet contracted the YouTube Music team through, said in a statement that the workers were let go after their contract ended at its intended date, according to KXAN in Austin.

A spokesperson for Google told Business Insider that Cognizant is responsible for ending the workers' employment, not Google.

"Contracts with our suppliers across the company routinely end on their natural expiry date, which was agreed to with Cognizant," the company said in a statement.

Not sure how much of the fault is from Google's side here since the employees contracted from another company.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 104 points 1 year ago

I am not defending Google here, but Cognizant is trash. I run a firm of specialist and a bulk of our work is cleaning up after outfits like Cognizant , Infosys, etc.

All that said, firing a group of 43 workers that chose to unionize during an Austin City Council meeting as it was being live streamed is all sorts of spicy. Google and Cognizant fucked up.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

How's that work, is there lots of hair pulling? Or are you able to charge an arm and a leg and set your timelines because the clients don't have much of a choice?

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[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

The National Labor Review Board ruled that Google was a co-employer of these union members and, thus, ruled that both Google and Cognizant had to come to the table to hammer out a bargaining agreement with them. Google refused. When this council resolution was put forth, Katherine McAden of Google Austin emailed the Austin City Council members on 02/28/24 to ask them to postpone the vote to "give Google, and the City Council, time to fully understand the direction of this item and potential local outcomes." The very next day (02/29/24), while two members were in the middle of testifying to the council, that was the exact moment Google fired the lot of them.

I don't see how much more open and shut you can get here.

[-] PigsInClover@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this. This should be the top comment.

I wonder how the new Cemex framework affects this.

[-] yoz@aussie.zone 22 points 1 year ago

Lol corporate world is not for you my guy. They contract other companies specifically for this reason. Order cognizant to fire workers and when questioned , oooohh they were contractors. 🤷‍♀️

[-] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

At least in the UK, if you work like an employee enough, the court can overrule the technicality of your employment status as a contractor and apply labor law protections.

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

This is exactly what happened with these union members. The National Labor Review Board ruled that Google was a co-employer along with Cognizant, and they ruled that Google just come to the bargaining table with these union members. They refused. They emailed city council members asking for a postponement of their vote to give them time to sort stuff out, and it was granted. The very next day, the fired the entire union out of retaliation for speaking to the city council voicing their concerns.

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[-] Virulent@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago

Contactor staffing companies exist solely to get around employment regulations. Demonic industry

[-] kalkulat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Blaming another business? Hmmm. Sounds like Boeing's attempted solution.

[-] Pixelemme@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah I don't understand why Google is being blamed here. If the contact ended with Cognizant then it is upto Cognizant to find other projects for the people who were part of the contract. That's how it works with these companies. If CTS couldn't find work in other projects then it's on CTS and not on Google

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The National Labor Review Board ruled that Google was a co-employer of these union members and, thus, ruled that both Google and Cognizant had to come to the table to hammer out a bargaining agreement with them. Google refused that order. When this council resolution was put forth, Katherine McAden of Google Austin emailed the Austin City Council members on 02/28/24 to ask them to postpone the vote to “give Google, and the City Council, time to fully understand the direction of this item and potential local outcomes.” The very next day (02/29/24), while two members were in the middle of testifying to the council, that was the exact moment Google fired the lot of them.

I don’t see how much more open and shut you can get here.

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Damn it, what am I supposed to do with this pitchfork now?

But seriously, shitty misleading headline.

[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

If you watch the video, one of the union members is at the Council meeting speaking to the City Council and another union member walks up to him to inform him that they were laid off with immediate effect. The workers both seemed genuinely surprised that they were laid off.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Use it.

Don't be fooled by layers of bureaucracy.

As along as it lands in the soft belly of those in the owner class or their supporters, it has served it purpose.

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[-] bamboo 34 points 1 year ago

Having moved onto a team in my company with Cognizant contractors, I can kinda understand Google not renewing the contract. In my experience, half of the PRs needed to be redone because of poor quality.

[-] ShunkW@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yep. Worked with them before. They coached their consultants to pass our tech interviews but had zero actual experience. One guy didn't know how to open a rails console... On a rails app job. Accenture is just as bad.

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[-] TCGM@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

That sounds all kinds of highly illegal and I cannot wait for the delicious lawsuit

[-] downhomechunk@midwest.social 18 points 1 year ago

It's Texas, don't hold your breath.

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Well, well, well.... who would have thought that the company who said don't do evil did evil anyway. This is why I don't trust corporations because their only loyalty is to investors who just wants more money.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Genuinely, why is it so difficult to be a good company? There's that one company that paid all their workers like 70k and the employees would die for the company. Loyalty means something and reinvesting in your workers builds a stronger company, no? What's the deal? Everyone fights for pennies vs building a strong foundation in a company culture and living it.

[-] MeepsTheBard 6 points 1 year ago

The people making the big decisions aren't the ones working. They're the ones put in charge to make money for investors, who want monthly returns. Not "here's what will get us 1XX% growth in 6-8 years," but now.

And you'd think this would only be the case with public companies, but private equity is gobbling up quality companies and milking them dry by cutting costs and abusing their brand's good name. People want returns on their investments QUICK these days.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

In most cases the shareholders that own the company don’t care about the company’s purpose, just their ROI in a certain time frame. And then the executives incentives are structured to reward quick financial results.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Are you talking about Gravity Payments and its CEO, Dan Price? Sorry to break the fairy tale but it has been shown that he is some weird, creepy guy who ran his team like a cult and accused of sexual allegations. He resigned over a year ago. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/18/dan-price-resigns-ceo-gravity-payments

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[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Honest answer. Infinite growth is the only business model we universally accept. This puts unrealistic expectations on how we define success.

It's not enough to own a successful diner making good cheap food for 500 people a day. Why can't you do that for 5000 people? 50,000 people? Then in comes efficiency and questions about profit. Meanwhile your Zadie who started the restaurant 60 years ago is long dead and so is the simple life he envisioned for his kids.

[-] Noble_Stacking_1337@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

If you want to listen to music on YouTube but don't like this type of fuckwadary, try out the Clear Skies chrome extension to skip ads and let them keep their advertisements to themselves.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

oooooor just install uBlock Origin

[-] mom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago

And switch to Firefox or at least ungoogled chromium

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

And ReVanced for Android! Grayjay and new pipe are good too

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 11 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The entire YouTube Music team is out of a job as tensions rise at Google parent company, Alphabet.

"We just got laid off, our jobs are ending today, effective immediately," one worker tells the city council in video of the meeting.

In a statement on X, formerly known as Twitter, the union said the YouTube Music team was based out of Austin, and was receiving such low pay that some members were working multiple jobs to make ends meet.

The YouTube Music team previously went on strike in February 2023 over Google's crackdown on remote work.

Pichai and Google are feeling the growing pressure of competition from new innovations in artificial intelligence, heightened by the company's recent failures with AI, BI previously reported.

Google recently put a hold on its AI image generator, Gemini, after it created historically inaccurate photos.


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