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If you're worried about ethics, it's going to be very difficult finding a job that will make you a living that is ethical.
I mean... you can upstream everything. I work for a place that sells outdoor sports gear. Pretty benign unless you do a deep dive into supply chains and the like.
For the record, I did work at a place the built parts for cruise missiles. It sucked. I quit
This is something I wrestle with sometimes as an engineering student and I think it does vary from country to country. You’ve got to ask yourself how the world would be different without those companies - whether other less friendly countries would come to prominence and whether the removal of the such a deterrence would make wars more common. But on the other hand, you should think about how those weapons are used and whether it’s ‘right’ like the defence of Ukraine, or more objectionable like some of the more polarising conflicts around the world. It’s a very difficult question but personally I don’t think I would work for a weapons company coz I don’t know how I’d feel about making something that is designed to kill people
It's fine. The designers of a weapon aren't responsible for how its used.
Collectively, no. Personally, yes. People deserve to make a living.
It's ethical, the parts will be made whether you work that job or not, and you're only responsible for the actions of the military to the extent that you're able to change them.
Since none of your reasonable options will make an impact on the production or use of those items, it's not a ethical issue for you to work there.
What matters much more is your ability to provide for yourself and those around you.
Do you live in the united states or any of its allies? If yes, then no, it is not ethical.
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no and ive always refused to do it but actually im fucked now so maybe i would
From my perspective, definitely if for Ukraine. I think it depends on what you can reasonably infer the weapons will be used for. If that use lines up with your beliefs, go for it.
YouTube has taught me that weapons are only used against menacing watermelons and disturbed canisters, in your backyard.
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Depends on the country.
Yes.
Pacifism is a moronic stance as a rule, born out of coddled overprivileged upbringings. War and weaponry have been a cornerstone of humanity since the first time a guy brained another guy with a rock.
Not building weapons simply means you'll have fewer, nobody else will do you the courtesy of not attacking you because you were nice and didn't proliferate.
There's a reason the most peaceful country on earth, Switzerland, has most adults as trained members of the reserves, and everyone has access to state mandated weapons of war either in their homes or their local armouries.
Who would win: one American who thinks about ethics or 5 hungry Chinese who don't even know the word "ethics"?
By asking the question, you've already decided.
Nothing is real, everything is permitted.
If it was to like the Japanese self defense force? Sure.
If it's to the US and going towards bombing civilians all across the world? Hell no.
Yes it is. You are not the one ordering purchasing or using those.
You boycott by not buying Nestlé not by not working in it.
What?! You can come up with marketing campaigns to misguide and deceive the public, also makes your livelihood depends on it. But as long as you are not buying, then you are fine?!
The entire nestle company, from marketing, to research, to engineer, to accounting, are hired for one singular purpose: making people buy their products. people working in nestle are THE driving force for others to buy nestle product.
I understand life is complex and sometimes people have no choice, but that doesn't make bad choice less bad, and unethical choice ethical. I wouldn't judge people just because they work in nestle; but I would not work for nestle if I can.
Find me a company that is not evil. Should we become all eco-beekepers or starve?
Following your reasoning all marketing jobs should be unethical. Where do you draw the line?
No, working is not unethical no matter who pays you.
Reality is more complex than ideals.
Although it is true that no organization is perfect, there are certainly better companies v.s. worse companies. For example, I believe Linux foundation is more ethical than Nestle, Mozilla is more ethical than Facebook, world bank is more ethical than American military.
If all company is equally evil, then you probably won't boycott nestle, because all of them are the same.
Hence, to me, there are certainly more ethical job than other jobs, depends what you are contributing to. I would argue a gardener in charge of planting and preserving local plants, is more ethical than CEO of nestle. Marketing at EFF is probably a more ethical job than marketing for nestle.
Of course, if you would starve when you don't work for nestle, then the society has failed you, it is not your fault. This is why I said that I wouldn't judge a person solely because they work at nestle, it really depends on their alternative.
I understand different person realize their ethical standards to different extent, I personally won't accept a job from nestle, no matter how much they are paying me, if I have the opportunity to earn a living wage as a barista, waiter, janitor, cook, or any other job.
Finally, I believe "working is not unethical" seems misguided, by this logic CEO of nestle is ethical, he claim water shouldn't be a human right, which indeed helps their company sell more product and make more money (like everyone else at nestle). By your reasoning, his claim should be completely ethical, because making money for nestle is in his job description.
Like you said, real life is complicated, hence I believe blanketed statements like "working is not unethical" probably won't hold true.
I think you are correct on most of it, but judging if somebody has or not alternatives is impossible. Of course everybody has alternatives, at least in the western world, but still lots of good and ethical people work for Nestlé.
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