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Macron stands by remarks about sending troops to Ukraine (www.politico.eu)

submitted 8 months ago by CAVOK@lemmy.world to c/europe@feddit.de

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[-] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 60 points 8 months ago

Not sure while everyone suddently pretends it's not acceptable.

I am absolutely not keen to let troops go on the ground. However, these the military options need to be openly discussed without any taboo. Not only it tells Russia If you don't find an agreement with Ukraine, things will escalate, but in a democracy, you need to have parliament and politicians in the discussions, we talk about kids dying for Kyiv. Is it worth-it ? I don't know, which is why we need to have this discussion.

[-] tillimarleen@feddit.de 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah, let‘s discuss it.

I think considering history and present one must be mad to come up with such an idea.

On the other hand: We’re not even discussing finding an agreement. It’s a bit like a taboo, too.

And: because we’re not winning, does it mean we have to escalate?

[-] Hillock@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago

There is no sudden change, not sending troop was the default stance for most people from day 1. And most politicians agreed with it, so there wasn't much need to speak up against it.

But now that Macron isn't ruling it out, voices against it need to speak up.

[-] EvilCartyen@feddit.dk 21 points 8 months ago

Good!

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[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 45 points 8 months ago

While i share you criticism for "liberal" (particular in the American sense) warlust in general, we cannot look at the current situation without acknowledging the russian agression. And Putin is most certainly not a liberal.

The spillage of blood is a valid criticism in so far, that the West was reluctant to support Ukraine properly, only tossing lifeline after lifeline, dragging the war out.

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[-] Kissaki@feddit.de 39 points 8 months ago

If you're so opposed to NATO, do you side with Russia then? Don't they do the same, on a larger scale and more openly?

Do you side with neither? Is siding with neither not accepting aggression with all its consequences?

What's your alternative? Your solution?

[-] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

Empowered the nazis to take the sudetenland...wait no, we aren't making that mistake again and that's pissing you off. Russia is nazi Germany and Ukraine is czechoslovakia here. The parallels are so close it's frightening

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 13 points 8 months ago

The world isn't black and white and there is no good guys vs. bad guys. The opponent of a bad guy is not autmatically a good guy.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago

So does Russia.

You don't need to side with any one imperialist. Just with the Russian anti war movement, i.e., the people most repressed in this current situation.

[-] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 20 points 8 months ago

If it was liberals that wanted the war it would be happening on russian soil.

[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 13 points 8 months ago

Liberals

Are you using this word in the correct sense or in the common US sense?

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