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[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

I think it is very common knowledge that the biggest downside of democracy is the general stupidity of most of the voting population.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

I guess we should let the smart people choose what’s right for them, and not give them a vote…..

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

This is essentially the system that Socrates advocated for.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

Who chooses who is “smart?” The right wing?

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

The system is described in Plato's Republic. You can learn more about it on Wikipedia. This idea pre-dates the concept of "left" and "right".

I made a slight mistake in my previous comment. Plato was the one who came up with it, but his work is in the form of a Socratic dialogue.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 3 points 9 months ago

Hey, aren't those the guys that argued repeatedly that slavery is natural and good?

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Ancient Greek philosophers' views on slavery are complex and can't be boiled down to a reply that would retain all the nuance yet would not be annoyingly long to read. Nonetheless, their views on slavery do not invalidate their views on politics.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 9 months ago

Yes it does, Mr Cryptofascist unironically arguing to restrict the vote to landowning males.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Are you unable to grasp that someone can explain an opinion without holding said opinion? Are you unable to grasp that I can describe a political system without advocating for it? That I can show the history behind it without endorsing it?

Are you unable to grasp that you can agree with someone on one topic without agreeing with them on everything? Are you unable to grasp that people are more than one-dimensional points on a spectrum and that there can be nuance and intricacies in their way of thinking, some of which is agreeable, some of which is not? That no idea or person can be described merely as a binary choice of "good" or "bad"?

Or have you no grasp at all of the rules of logic and the art of rhetoric, leaving you with nothing but strawmen and ad hominem left?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You're not "explaining" anything, clown, you're making a vague reference to a classical work.

You're also calling the people too stupid to govern themselves and hoping no one else has read enough of the two most famous and most read philosophers in the world to call you on your bullshit.

Go cry into your unpainted marble statue pfp about it happening anyways.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Okay internet faux intellectual fascist whose version of explaining The Republic's political philosophy is "read Wikipedia" and "the problem with democracy is the people are morons, so we've gotta figure out how to protect the idiot plebs from themselves!"👍

What's your favorite IQ benchmark for forced sterilization btw?

[-] tb_@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Not inherently stupid, mind you. Un(der)educated and lied to by those they should be able to trust.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago

That feels like a not good thing to be saying if you're literally a political dynasty child

[-] clot27@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

Never got with the political dynasty thing? What is exactly wrong with that? Like people vote for the leader, how does it matter if they are from political dynasty or not?

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 30 points 9 months ago

Because political dynasties are like royalty, where what matters is keeping power within the family, not the skill or qualifications of a person to lead. When there is a dynasty, corruption is not far behind. These people inherit power as if they deserve it, and they are brought up by their politician parents to become politicians, not servants of the people. The goal is to continue holding power, not working for the people.

[-] properlypurple 13 points 9 months ago

Still better than fascism tbh 😓

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Slight tangent but I respect Sonia Gandhi for staying here when she could've peaced out of this country after her mother in law and husband were assassinated.

[-] clot27@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Well rahul Gandhi is very well campaigning on road, doing yatras, etc. Its a dire time for opposition but still that man is fighting, sure he was awarded the position he is at but still he is fightin, trying to prove himself. One can get a chance by being privilege, to hold on to it you must be qualified enough.

[-] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

The man just figured this about the castes on the last leg of the campaign after all else failed? Seems he just threw ideas to the wall until one stuck. Not sure it shows lots of commitment to the idea, seems pretty last minute.

[-] clot27@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

He is fighting in name of caste for more than a year now, he lost MP, RJ and CG elections after that but still he is holding on to it, lets see what future holds.

[-] Syl@jlai.lu 6 points 9 months ago

Felt like this was also the message from the movie Jawan. Super cool movie, highly recommended.

[-] punseye@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

lol modi himself is from "backward caste"

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