This is especially annoying because 6 months ago there was an amazing collaboration between both sides in the Red Sea to enable an international team to remove oil from a wrecked tanker.
All the people involved thought it was a great framework for more peaceful negotiations.
But now Israel has got its genocide on the Houthis are kicking off and saving the environment is no longer anyone's priority.
Israel is guilty for what it’s doing, but blaming Israel for these Houthi attacks is ridiculous.
The Houthis are self serving in these attacks. As they have claimed land, support has turned against them because it turns out they suck at providing services to the people that live in areas they control. So they are falling back to the one popular policy they have: supporting Palestinians, and fighting back against “imperialists.”
Except attacking ships in the Red Sea is doing nothing for the Palestinians. Maybe if they only targeted Israeli vessels of ships heading to/from there, but they are not. Even getting bombed has an upside as it reinforces their underdog anti-imperialist messaging.
All your talking points were debunked more than a month ago in this short interview.
"To those who claim that we do it for our popularity, let them come forth and enhance their own popularity"
Ahhh the houthis said it wasn't true, well glad that's resolved then 👍
Man on side of Genocide says people against Genocide bad.
More news at 11.
I'm not saying you should uncritically accept the statement of whoever you're referring to (presumably biden)
But that is equally true for the houthis as well
The Houthi's stopped attacking civilian ships during the temporary ceasefire in November.
Biden says he wants israel to stop committing war-crimes and then bypasses congress to send israel more tank shells and mortar explosives which are primarily used to blow up houses in Gaza..
Actions mean everything. Words mean nothing. Biden wants to commit Genocide and the Houthi's want to stop Genocide.
But the houthis continue to attack civilian vessels again.
One can both oppose the US' (horrifying) support of Israel's genocide, and also criticise the indiscriminate targeting of civilian vessels by the houthis.
Yes. Because israel broke the ceasefire
There is nothing indiscriminate about it. They only target ships from nations participating in the Genocide of Palestinians. Their ships are illegally trespassing until a ceasefire is reached.
The Houthi's have done an outstanding job at selective targeting and upholding international law. Meanwhile you are here advocating for Genocide.
I'm aware of why they continue the strikes - but I take issue with the strikes themselves.
The problem is the ships targeted are frequently not linked whatsoever to Israel, or its supporters. The houthis are attacking ships far outside the entire Yemeni exclusive economic zone, so no, the ships in international waters are not trespassing.
Targeting civilian ships, especially those unrelated to the conflict, is absolutely unacceptable. Additionally, their approach directly drives up food prices, which disproportionately affects those most affected by food scarcity, including but not limited to the Palestinians themselves.
you are here advocating for genocide
Oh get the fuck out of it. I directly oppose Israel's war on Gaza, and frequently attend protests against my own country's support of them.
@derf82 I'm not "blaming Israel" for decisions taken by the Houthis. I don't really get why you'd take that from my comment.
Israelis made their own decisions.
Houthis proceeded to make their own decisions about how to respond to that too. I have no doubt that they are pursuing an agenda.
And the ecology of the Red Sea is no longer a priority for most people in the region because everyone has to make decisions based on what's happening.
Please note it is not so much Israel as Nyet N' Yahoo. This is the work of a desperate criminal trying to remain in power.
And then 72 percent of Israelis say aid shouldn't be allowed in until prisoners are released.
I'm sorry. But starving people en masse is not it. It's time to treat Israel the same way we treated Germany. Disarm, occupy, hang the war criminals, and force a government representative of everyone from the river to the sea. And yes that means an end to their ethnostate. That's the point. They've fucked around. It's time for the find out.
72% of the people they asked. Lots of Israelis are not happy with this war.
Yeah. It looks like around 28 percent. Unfortunately that's not enough. When 2/3rds of a country believes in Genocide the world needs to intervene.
This has been going on for 75 years. The problem is not Netanyahu. The problem is Zionism.
The old white man's burden concept seems to have made a comeback.
You consider non-white people to be not responsible for their actions because you consider them to be savages that will naturally cause chaos unless under the guidance of the white man. If they are causing chaos it's somehow the white man's fault for not guiding them appropriately.
Personally I think the Houthis are responsible for their actions. Same with Hamas. Same with all the other psychopaths in the region. If you're going to blame anyone besides these groups for their actions, then maybe consider Iran first.
>You consider non-white people to be not responsible for their actions because you consider them to be savages that will naturally cause chaos unless under the guidance of the white man. If they are causing chaos it’s somehow the white man’s fault for not guiding them appropriately.
they didn't say any of this, but you did
But this is the thought pattern is it not?
It's not "hey these Houthi guys seem to be bad dudes." It's all about finding a way to blame others for the actions of this group.
And when you consider it on a broader front this inability to criticize various groups and governments in the middle east doesn't result in any improvements happening. The middle east is dominated by authoritarian psychopaths because there's a refusal to put the spotlight on them. Because these psychopaths continuously get away with horrific acts because of white man's burden style logic, there can't be any real change.
If the Houthis were criticized more for torturing people, maybe pressure can be put onto Iran to stop supplying weapons to them. If we considered Mister Bonesaw a little more responsible for his actions, maybe the horrific acts committed against the Houthis may not have happened.
Sure we should criticize the US and Israel, but laying all blame on the perceived "white men" of the middle east has resulted in stagnant authoritarian power structures in the middle east. Well other than Israel of course, which will very likely dump Netanyahu in the next election, because they actually have those in Israel.
The unhealthy fixation on the US and Israel (which the Houthis call for the deaths of both on their flag) means psychopaths like the Houthis maintain power. That same fixation that's promoted on this site.
You're right dude. Once Americans are the real victims of the war crimes they commit in the middle east.
And Genocide Joe is the victimest victim of them all
Keep repeating your slogans, doesn't change the fact that Hamas deliberately murdered women and children on October 7, and the Houthis publicly crucify people.
It's obvious to anyone outside the bubble you live in how horrific the psychopaths you support really are.
The Palestinians are the biggest victims of Hamas for sure, but the continued support of Hamas indicates you don't actually care about Palestinians. You just want to hate Israelis.
“GeNoCiDe JoE” is the new Let’s Go Brandon from the same alt-right trolls. I never see you fools criticizing Trump when he literally states he will be a dictator. Know what will happen in the Middle East? Same as now, except American arms and troops will directly be involved.
Please pay attention this time, it's getting old: Holding Democrats accountable for their support of genocide is not the same as supporting Republicans.
Agreed, but there are plenty people posting that they can’t vote for Biden because of the situation in Gaza. I get the criticism, and I wish we had a more progressive Democrat candidate, but given the reality of our options, not voting for Biden is akin to supporting Trump. In no reality would a Trump presidency be better for Palestinians, or frankly Americans, the West, etc.
No, not voting for Biden is not voting for Biden. I'm sure Biden is counting on your argument to get elected, but it's not going to work. You can't guilt the left into voting for a genocide supporter. If Biden loses, that's on Biden and the Democrats. He and the DNC know what they can do if they want votes from anyone left of center.
Ok, but back in reality with the voting system in the US, that is exactly what happens. If you can’t comprehend how much worse Trump will be, that’s on you. The national election between Trump and Biden (which is who the candidates will be), not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. Use whatever logic you’d like, but that is what the actual effect is.
The Houthis have been ridiculous about their justifications for attacks, but where was this ship headed? It doesn't say in the article.
Doesn’t matter. It's civil disobedience with missiles. The point is less to destroy an enemy, and more to cause enough fuss that the various Western powers - almost all of whom are supporting the genocide in Palestine - change their behavior under the pressure.
Civil disobedience doesn't include violence. Much less military power.
It isn't civil disobedience because it's trying to influence international politics. Civil disobedience isn't always non-violent though. In fact I'd argue it requires a certain amount of violence, usually because it's met with violence. Non-violent protest has never made a change happen on its own. It always at least requires a threat of violence.
It's an act of war. The Houthis are not a rogue operation; they are part of a much larger global march to war. Any view other than this is the opening 2 years of a new global conflict is incomplete.
I was just commenting on why it isn't civil disobedience, because the other comment was wrong in why. Civil disobedience doesn't necessarily mean non-violent, but it does mean internal to your country. It's the same root as civics. It isn't from the meaning of civil meaning polite, just like a civil war isn't polite.
Insert whatever word you prefer. Agitation, strong-arm tactics.... go nuts.
It's literally in the name - "civil"! Do words not mean anything to these bots?
funny way to spell terrorism.
Lemmy probably defended ISIS too.
DAE stopping Genocide is the same as doing Genocide?
If you don't even know the difference between ISIS and the Houthi's because you think every Arab group is the same, don't comment on foreign policy.
Civil disobedience: refusal to obey governmental demands or commands especially as a nonviolent and usually collective means of forcing concessions from the government - Merriam-Webster
This is not civil disobedience by any definition. It is violent, and it is not refusing to follow an unjust law.
Tell me, when did Dr. King or Ghandi shoot missiles at people?
Double disaster. The leaking petroleum is an obvious problem, but the nitrogen in the fertilizer will really fuck some things up too. Wonder if will make a giant dead zone.
~~America~~ Britain blows up all of Palestine but suddenly they really care about the environment when others try to stop them.
This just in, different things have differences.
Exactly. There is plenty of blame to put on the people who - in the face of a freaking climate crisis - still decide to ship ~~shitloads~~ shiploads of fossil fuel through a warzone.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A cargo ship that was struck by a Houthi ballistic missile on Monday has created an 18-mile long oil slick in the Red Sea as it continues to take on water, two US officials said Friday.
The M/V Rubymar — a Belize-flagged, UK-registered, Lebanese-owned vessel — was carrying 41,000 tons of fertilizer when it was struck on Monday by one of two ballistic missiles fired from Houthi territory in Yemen.
“The Houthis continue to demonstrate disregard for the regional impact of their indiscriminate attacks, threatening the fishing industry, coastal communities, and imports of food supplies,” US Central Command said.
One of the US officials said the threat of more Houthi attacks in the Red Sea, combined with the condition of the water, makes it incredibly difficult to safely get to the ship and attempt to tow it to a port.
The damage sustained by the Rubymar is potentially the most significant to a vessel caused by an attack launched by the Houthis, who have been targeting commercial shipping in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden for months.
The Houthis’ attacks have been ongoing for months, and despite several rounds of strikes by the US and UK on their capabilities, US officials told CNN it’s unclear how much weaponry the militia group still has.
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